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That's fucked up and unconstitutional (not that it matters to Trumo and co) but I will say it FREE PALESTINE!!! and for good measure FUCK ISRAEL FUCKING NAZIS.
Now I am going go touch some grass, I am done with these fucking racist fascist.
@Fredselfish
We are really turning into 1920s red scare horror in the US.
Both liberal and fascists are united to crush the left. This time by hiding under antisemitism.
they're not bothering to hide it because liberals and facists don't bother to look it up; aoc and bernie both voted for the last time something like this showed up and i bet that they're going to do it again.
I'm trying to understand your perspective from your comments. Do you not believe antisemitism is real? Or increasing?
I believe they are. I also believe genocide in Gaza is bad. I'm a liberal. Just trying to understand why you're a leftist and I'm supposedly not.
Antisemitism =/= antizionism.
Trying to conflate these 2 positions is a shameless strategy by zionists to justify their shameless atrocities. Not to mention that palestinians are literally semites, the actually indigenous people of the region.
Liberalism is the ideological superstructure of Capitalism, Leftists oppose Capitalism and support Socialism. Everyone believes anti-semitism is real, but since the Liberal status quo needs Israel as a US millitary base in the Middle East, liberals and fascists are joining hands to throw those supporting Palestinian Liberation under the bus.
Liberalism and fascism are both the ideological superstructures of capitalism, just under different circumstances, liberalism in plenty and fascism in crisis. Both are build upon Capitalism as the base, and as such are more similar than they are different, and the differences are explained by the sharpened contradictions in Capitalism leading to more violent repression. In other words, fascism is the ugly face under the mask of liberalism, and Capital takes off the mask and puts it back on depending on its needs.
Liberals are not leftists
@blazeknave omg another asshole coming with some BS to waste time.
I have neither time or interest to repeat what I have said a million time to another idiot who ask a stupid question on a post completely unrelated to the question.
Maybe if you weren't such a fucking prick, you wouldn't push away prospective comrades. Big fucking tent you got there boss. FYI those weren't 5 to 12 million socialists this weekend. And the only reason I stopped identifying as a socialist, then a dem soc, then leftist, is bc of your fucking purity test bullshit. Go ahead and delete this and silence my voice and perspective like every fucking open minded leftist on this site. You're pathetic. I've been in the movement for almost 30 years, have literally bled for this democracy, had guns ground into my temple, close range rubber bullet wounds, burns from tear gas canisters. Fuck. You. Your exclusionary crap is gross and you're not going to have a seat at the table on the other side of all this. Useful idiots buying into the dichotomy of the oligarchs, pointing fingers at the other 99% while we all get rolled on. This country's culture reflects its government. You're not outside of it. You just bunch everyone else on the opposing side of you and recreate the same polarized dichotomy. You will never internalize a word of this bc you're closed minded arrogant pricks who deserve the disdain of actual working class people. Kinda like the DNC and their old base.... You don't actually care about people with empathy and compassion. Just the next iteration of Bernie Bros. And fuck off, I have always voted for him and left candidates up and down the ballot except general presidential elections, for literally decades. I helped primary Pelosi bc I'm apparently too left for fucking San Francisco. But I'm "another idiot with a stupid question." I am so sick of you fake fucks. Go get angry about it instead of reflecting like a little baby living in mommy's basement. You're not a fucking hero. You live in an echo chamber. As bad as the military pointing guns at the very neighbors they're supposed to protect in spite of their differences.
What? Where are the republicans who are creating this, voting for this, and not stopping trump in any fashion? This seems like a weird thing to say. Maybe you made a typo?
I think the implication is that the repubs are the fascists.
I've never heard of a republican being called a liberal though. I've seen memes with "libtards", "libtears," etc. That to me says liberals aren't republicans.
US casual political rhetoric is all kinds of screwed. In political science terms, plenty of Republicans are conservative liberals, Libertarians are essentially classical liberals, and the people you're used to calling liberals are social liberals, aka progressive liberals. The USA is [still...] a liberal democracy, one of the many types of democracy.
I don’t know how you’ve been on Lemmy for two years and are hearing this for the first time. Previously:
What people in the US usually call “conservative” and what they call “liberal” are both liberal. Fascists in the Republican party aside, both it and the Democratic party are liberal parties. And liberalism and fascism have more in common than most people realize.
You might want to look at other comments in this thread:
and
What about those comments? The Palestinian genocide has been bipartisan, aided and abetted by both Biden and Trump. And on the campaign trail, Harris created no daylight between herself and Biden on the issue.
@davel @pelespirit Disregard the other stuff I said, I thought they were being weird. I'm using my account through slash commands rn so I can't edit or anything.
@davel
2nd Big Business capitalist party Democrats had 80m votes against
Trump in the bag but 5m refused 2
vote 4 them & legitimise their
Support 4 Genocide in Gaza
(supported by the Republicans)
So Democrats blame Thyself!
Both parties r rubbish+don’t even have members who make policy.
US & UK need a diverse working
Class & Progressive middle class
new Left Wing Democratic Socialist
Party.
We make societies work &
r labour creates the wealth.
New Left Party 1
Republicans 0.
Democrats 0.
@pelespirit @davel Lmao I thought that Jill Stein guy you were mentioning was you. Keep being a weird little Zionist snitch it won't make political opposition to fascism in the US real. None of you people are serious.
They're not calling republicans liberals, they're calling republicans fascists
@Amnesigenic @pelespirit Yeah I'm saying they're both fascists but also that conservatism is liberalism. Western factions have a bunch of annoying terminology. Like "leftists" or "the left" being the dems to a lot of people. Or tje british labour party @pelespirit @palestine
@pelespirit @AlexanderTheDead Neoconservatism is actually a branch of economic liberalism
This just seems like a way to confuse the labels and cause infighting even if it's somewhat correct. Like when republicans claim to be the party of Lincoln, they're trying to step back from from their bad choices and racism so they can get reelected.
Yes, that was the purpose of the curated distinction. These labels were understood in the past and intentionally muddied to disrupt unity against them.
So now, for example, instead of a liberal party and a labor party, you have 2 liberal parties. One who identifies as "liberal" while the other identifies as "conservative" but they ultimately serve the same purpose.
They want to pass the narrative that liberalism isn't a conservative ideology and vice versa because that serves their purposes. They want people to fight over which brand of liberalism they prefer, not whether they want liberalism at all.
Because
@pelespirit Please don't engage in guesswork based on American political mythology. https://annas-archive.se/md5/67557b8f7b42be96aa9a10ef865fd1db
Meanwhile in this thread:
@pelespirit Oh lol I thought you were a Jill Stein supporter I misread that. Can you restate what exactly your problem is? I'd prefer you take the book recommendation and go be annoying to someone else.
@pelespirit Demonrats and rethuglicans must all be vanquished. Yeah Jill Stein's pretty lame but I find I agree with you and other supporters on 90% of issues so it's chill
Yeah, I'm not sure how you're confused by anything being said right now. You could have said "both are fascist" or something if that's the point you wanted to make. What you said didn't make any sense. You said "where are the republicans" when they were being mentioned. Idk. Weird. Maybe a typo or something.
Historically, the moderates in the United States have always been against the left.
A lot of United States moderates (liberals) support the genocide . I understand the majority of liberals are against the mass murder and war crimes. But it ain’t peanuts for those who do support it. See, for example, the original topic here: at least half the Democratic congresspeople will vote for this.
It’s really easy to get these all mixed up if one is left leaning.
The problem with America is that it has multiple flavors of fascist-like behavior, and a limited vocabulary in modern slang to be able to distinguish these with names.
So I can understand when liberals are called fascists, even if it confuses people.
@pelespirit blue MAGA attacking anti genocide and pro Palestinians, just like thy did about Ralf Nader or Jill Stein for the Fuck up of their policies.
They have voted for every anti Palestinian and pro genocide legislation and program GOP put ahead of them.