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IMHO as long as linux don't have a full UI for main settings it will be difficult for it to impose himself.
I know a lot of people will say that now you don't need the terminal but actually you do!
I am using Fedora with KDE and for instance it offers no GUI to easily create and manage user groups. You want to look at your service, stop them, start them, schedule a task... It's all with terminal ! And I am sure there is plenty of other examples.
Don't take me wrong, I am still a Linux user! But I would appreciate not having to look/check online to change some basic things once in a while! ๐
I mean, to be fair, user groups and services really aren't a thing that a "normie" would be messing with on any platform under most circumstances, and if they would be then there'd be some understanding that it'd involve some sort of "hackerman tooling" as one might call it, whether it's Windows's service manager or the magic black window with a blinking cursor in it.
I, for one, had no idea what
svchost.exe
on Windows did (thought it was just M$ bloat, really) until after I started using Linux and had already made several systemd units on there and realized that Windows kinda-sorta-but-also-not-really-sometimes has that as well.A bigger problem imo is how Linux always seems to have a point-and-click way to do most of everything that your "average computer user" needs to do... but then somebody (cough Canonical and their snapd stuff cough) fucks it up and makes it so that you can't just say "you can install everything using the app store", which results in encounters like this one.
Oh, and your "why is this even an issue anymore" things like (shameless plug) this. Seriously.
Correct, a very common task for little grandmas and other average users.
An effective terminal is a feature, not a bug. Every Linux problem has the same solution: search the web, ctrl-c, ctrl-v.
No navigating through "settings" and "preferences" and "tools" menus to figure out where this particular developer decided to hide that particular setting. Just copy and paste, problem solved.
That's a bad take. Learning the bad habit of copy/pasting command and depending on the Internet to do the most basic changes to your computer is not a "feature" of the terminal. I can Google how to navigate Windows control center too.
Setting search is a solved problem, you simply search for the setting name in the UI, it's way easier than navigating terminal flags and switches.
This assumes the developer bothered to make that setting available through the UI.
With the terminal, that isn't a problem: You're using the same UI as the developer.
That assumes the programmer bothered to make user friendly flags... The terminal doesn't magically just work.
With open source, the delineation between "user" and "programmer" is arbitrary and capricious. The GUI-centric Windows approach reinforces that artificial distinction; the terminal breaches that barrier.
Opensuse has YAST
https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/html/book-startup/cha-yast-userman.html
SUSE has had YAST for literal decades and nobody cared.