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If you think any flavour of socialist "just hasn't discovered social democracy", then no, you don't know what socialism is. Any socialist already knows about it, and probably believed in it once, but moved past it after learning that it's insufficient.
Uh, I think you dont know what socialism is. Read up on it. This comment tree is not about it anyway so please start another one if you want to discuss socialism. Or at least make sure you
A: let everyone know youre going OT
B: know what you are talking about.
Thank you
WTF exactly do you think socialism is, if you think it's off topic?
You mentioned tankies. Tankie is a pejorative for Marxism-Leninism, a form of socialism.
You mentioned communism. Communism is a form of socialism.
You mentioned social democracy - a concept many ignorant people confuse with socialism.
You also intimated that MLs simply "haven't discovered social democracy" - a statement that can only be said by someone who thinks social democracy is "socialism done right".
This is especially completely hilarious for anyone actually reading even a wiki page and knowing that the the most historically important M-L party, CPSU, was originally named literally Russian Social Democratic Labour Party and that all marxists called themselves social-democrats for a decades, until the bulk of them betrayed the working class and supported imperialism in WW1.
Fascinating how the guys most enthusiastic about communism and socialism have the least clue on what it is. Please, educate yourself, they are quite simple ideas, which is why they are the ideology of the uneducated and violent
Then explain to me what it is and why it is violent. I wager you can't.
Reality (its a thing) is a bit of a giveaway
Reality, huh? So... the world outside. Okay, I'll go pick up a rock and see if the answer is under there.
C'mon, man. I thought you said it was simple? Should be easy for you to explain :)
Communism as an ideology is always supported by the uneducated, communism always leads into violence.
Reality is opening your eyes and seeing a creature with hooves that says moo and calling it a cow.
Communism is being delusional with a thin view on morality and ethics and supporting/doing a genocide.
Quite simple.
Nice blogpost mate
You're just trolling, aren't you?
No, i asked you to explain what communism is. Not describe how you view it.
What are its axioms, what do its supporters believe? What is its goal, and what methods does it promote to achieve them?
What does it oppose? What are its philosophical bases? What is its praxis? Who are some influential thinkers in the field, and what theories did they add?
Hell, here's an even easier one: can you even name a single communist philosopher?
Please it is not my job to educate you. And for these surface level discussions (well, socialism is surface level) you ought to just read the wiki page on it.
Literally take 10 minutes of your day to read it and come back to me after you know what socialism is. Dont even have to apologize me, I'm not like that, I just want to see people get better and flourish.
I already know what it is. I'm waiting for you to prove you do. I'm not asking for my benefit - I've spent years deep in socialist theory already. This is why I'm drilling you. Because you're just saying vague shit that does not hint at any socialist theory at all - just blind hatred of something you never took time to learn about.
Socialism, at its most basic, is workers seizing the means of production; the proletariat overthrowing the bourgeoisie to resolve the class antagonisms inhetent in the capitalist mode of production.
I didn't want to have to do this, because now you definitely know what socialism is, since I've explained it, and you can just pretend you knew all along.
Thank you for finally reading the wiki entry. Now, as you wrote, we can acknowledge how an ideology and the act of approaching the society described by that ideology are different. Like the difference between nazism (ideology) and holocaust (act of approaching an ideology). One is an abstract idea, the other is an act of reality.
So OT warning or a new comment tree, thank you!
Nice try. Like I already told you, I already know what socialism is. That was from my own understanding. :)
Okay, so you're just gonna restate my own points back at me and pretend you furthered the discussion.
I've already explained, and your participation has already indicated, that this is not off topic.
So, to sum up, you have:
Attempted to insult my intelligence by suggesting I need to do mid conversation googling, after refusing to demonstrate any knowledge on your own part
Refused to add anything of worth to the discussion by simply repeating my own points back at me
Then attempted to flee the discussion altogether
Give me a single reason to take you, or anything you say on this subject, seriously.
Sorry to have kept you waiting, I have a strict no-phones principle during workouts.
You have done that yourself by coming in talking about OT
I'm trying my best to make you understand. I am nothing if not patient.
Open up another comment tree please, and if I have something to add there I'll throw in my two cents.
Okay, you simply can only be trolling.
If that makes you sleep at night.
Its hard to come to terms with your limits, but I suggest trying your best. You can only get better
You're only making me more confident in my assumption.
You have to be aware of the facts here. You have shown absolutely zero knowledge on the subject of socialism. The only times you said anything about any of its theories is when you confirmed what I said, and that was only in implication.
The only point you have been clinging to is that this was "off topic", when we were clearly talking about socialism from the beginning.
In any case, my point has evidently been proven - you know nothing about socialism and have no business speaking on the subject with such ignorance. Educate yourself before making an ass of yourself online again.
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Bruh like I said in the beginning, you are OT. You learned along the way what you are talking about, I'll give you that, but you are still OT. Make another comment tree.
Explain like I'm five what makes socialism off-topic when the discussion was about socialism. Explain how you can stumble ass-backwards into a conversation about what tankies believe in and not realise we'll be discussing socialism.
Also, saying I "learned what I was talking about" is just a non sequitur. I was talking about socialism then, and I'm talking about socialism now.