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It is such a weird strategy.
It’s worked well for valve in the wake of the steam machine flopping. They’ve got like 20mill+ gamepass subscribers so clearly there’s something to what they’re doing, even if it isn’t the “Netflix of video games” scale they were hoping for.
Hell notice valve has made it very clear they are not making another steam deck anytime soon, they are perfectly content getting third-party vendors to build handles that handles their OS/software as the flagship product. Exactly what Microsoft just did with their handheld.
Idk I think Microsoft is actually on to something here. The question is can they find more casual audiences to buy handheld hardware that is built around their ecosystem at such a price point ($700+) and/or invest in a window/xbox library when they’re clearly abandoning the Xbox as a central product. Xbox brand is already kind of lukewarm in the public. Not dead, but certainly not thriving.
Valve isn't making their next Steam Deck anytime soon because the technology doesn't exist yet. You can crank up the wattage and put in a bigger battery, but those things make the handheld larger, heavier, and hotter, so they're not interested. This is a bottleneck from AMD and their R&D.
But especially due to live service anti cheat and Game Pass, I agree that there's a potential market for this strategy. There's certainly no way they compete with Sony by doing what consoles have always done.
Apple does have the technology though… imagine a steam deck with the m series chip? An m4 pro could run basically all modern games on a small screen at 60+ fps with the right software…
I'm imagining a lot of regression in compatibility and performance loss, as that's what I've heard of the state of Apple's new CPU architecture.
Performance-wise apple’s chips are way ahead of amd and any other arm based chip as well. Not sure what you’re talking about.
And compatibility ofc, that’s what I meant good software. Like optimizing steamOS to run on the m chips.
But that would never happen of course.
Performance wise AMD and Intel run circles around the m4, there is not any compititiom here.
Performance Watt per instruction is where the m4 really shines and still I have my reservations
They may very well be on to something (anyone who thought about this for a bit after the first announcement, could figure out this strategy, but it doesn't include an important factor). Xbox is predominantly a console that lives in the living room. The most expensive Xbox series x currently available is $729.99. The handheld they modeled this off is currently $899.99. The price increase when this handheld and it's predecessor consoles have been popular in majority US markets during a financially unstable time where there exist things like the switch 2 and the Lenovo Legion series of handhelds, not to mention ROG's other handhelds may make this untenable to consumers. It's a great idea for them the drop a handheld with an Xbox interface. It's not a good time.
FFS. I don't care.
Okay? That wasn't the central point of their message. It seems somewhat disrespectful to respond that way, ignoring everything else they said. They have a valid point.
We've had this discussion before, and they tried to argue this same point.