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Most of the time, tankies tell me that I'm automatically a Liberal (the bad version of the word) if I'm a Social Democrat.
Social democracy is liberal, though
The political definition of liberal generally involves free enterprise. Social Democrats are generally trying to phase out free enterprise towards higher regulation and public good. Social Democrats seek to move society towards socialism nonviolently. That is not really a "liberal" thing by the version of that term generally used by Marxists.
Social democracy is not geared towards socialism. It sounds like you're thinking of democratic socialism.
Social democracy is, by definition, geared towards socialism while still acting within capitalism to better society by pushing for direct action against inequality. The way a lot of socdems see it, the difference between them and demsocs is that demsocs tend to be neutral (or even negative) on steps that better overall quality-of-life that involve working within the capital system. For example, a socdem would embrace public option, or growing medicare as a good thing in the US because it's better than what we have. A demsoc **might ** not because it is not actually taking a concrete step towards nationalizing healthcare.
Categorizing is hard because different people think different things of different terms, but it is unfair to categorically call socdems "liberal" in the "free enterprise" sense.
You know youre doing good when tankies talk shit on you. I was once DM spammed by a bunch of nazis when I talked shit about it. Fun times and makes me stay on the right lane
Maybe you mistyped, but why on Earth would Nazis defend tankies? The most Nazi deaths in history were caused by the Soviets. Nazis foam at the mouth with rage at the thought of anything to the left of Hitler himself
Sorry mate, I was unclear. The time of DMs I was referring to was when I was talking shit about nazis specifically, tankies weren't in the vicinity of the discussion. But yeah the two are mortal enemies despite the awkward similarities between the ideologies.
No, I think you just make shit up on the fly. You start typing, with no knowledge of where the comment will end up
Y'know, such as weird oddities like this insane statement:
Similarities... Between Nazism and ML...
Is this some im14andthisisdeep horseshoe theory bullshit?
What's the difference between a concentration camp and a gulag? Horseshoe, apparently.
Ok, so you actually think horseshoe theory has relevance.
Uh huh. And is there something you're going to do about the reality of the situation?
The reality of what situation? Your belief in a theory that has zero relevance to reality?
The belief that if two ideologies just happen to have the same outcome, it's really not that different of an ideology, in reality.
You're just trying to troll me, and I'm losing interest. Socialism and Nazism do not have the same outcome. You've just been eating that neoliberal propaganda.
Alright so there is an inherent difference between uh... genocide and.... let's see, oh, genocide. What a marvelous conclusion. thank you. I will make sure to dismiss reality in favour of what someone said in a book.
Okay, I'm awaiting your arguments fuelled by the discredited Black Book - the only source that supports the Holodomor conspiracy theory. Ah, the shoe's on the other book-thumping foot now, right?
The funny thing is that commies have committed more than one genocide. Genocide is an inherent and unmovable part of communism.
So you're not even disputing what I said. Didn't expect much from you, but this is a new low.
Which part of communist theory calls for, or necessitates, genocide? Where, in between seizing the means of production, and abolishing the state, is there anything about any ethnic cleansing?
No I don't think it's my job to tell you genocides happen.
The authoritarian part of it. You know, the same part that causes genocides with fascism too. Also, as we've seen, reality, as in, in reality we see communist regimes committing genocides. I know we're still working on the "reality" part with you so take your time trying to understand that reality exists.
We're not discussing your job, so don't try to change the subject to what wretched drudgery you do for a living. None of this is done for employment, so that is an absurd point to make. But you have already taken it upon yourself to try and prove your points to me - but you are failing. Saying that you are not employed to succeed does not fill me with much hope that you are able to succeed at all.
There is not a single authoritarian part of communism. Finally we get to prove how little you know.
For the first thing, communism is stateless - that is, there is no state apparatus whatsoever. No need for it.
Secondly, communism is classless. There are no elites and peasants, everyone is simply a person and worker - of whichever stripe of work they desire to do that moment.
Fascism causes genocides because it is an ethno-nationalist ideology, that inherently classes anyone but the chosen group as undesirable and worthy of death. There is nothing even resembling this in communist ideology, even the distaste toward capitalists doesn't even come close to the pure hatred fascism feels toward anyone not of the right race, sex, or nationality.
I dare you to provide me a single quote from any communist theorist that calls for an extermination of any kind whatsoever.
You have yet to even name one. In fact, you have yet to even name a "communist regime", as such a thing is an oxymoron. You may find me regimes that call themselves socialist, and these regimes may even be led by a party that calls itself socialist, but you'll struggle to find anything resembling communism because no country has been allowed to even progress into socialism, let alone progress along socialism toward communism.
Dude, this line of argument is so patently fucking bonkers. Let me show you why.
2 + 2 = 4.
Why?
Reality.
Harry Potter's mother's name is Lily.
How do you know that? Where is that information?
Reality.
Cows eat grass.
Who told you that?
Reality.
Are you following yet? Reality is the total sum of knowledge. It is the least specific possible way to try to prove a point. It is basically saying "trust me, bro." You cannot say you are right by just appealing to the vagueness that is "reality". You have to actually use reason.
All those words and all I can say is look at how communism works in Reality™ and that's your post flushing down the drain.
Sometimes I feel bad about commies, so many words, so many books, so little grasp on reality it's really borderline delusional.
But then I remember that communism breeds genocide and I stop feeling bad.
Where is it? Is it in the room with us, now? Can you point to it, tell me its name?
What communism?
Can you please, pretty please, actually address even a single thing I just said?
Gooood morning!
In history, look it up!
I don't have to, reality does it for me.