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this post was submitted on 28 Jun 2025
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I don't know what happened here exactly, but there can be cases where a parent did take appropriate measures (by definition), but the child got through them anyway. For example, a child watches a safe being locked/unlocked and gets the password, or guesses the password (maybe it's the same as mum's phone password), etc. Or broke a glass case.
Sounds like those weren't appropriate measures if someone can get round them so easily.
When I had a shotgun license, my shotgun was in a locked gun cabinet inside a locked room. The cartridges were in a separate locked case out of sight in another room, and I had the only keys for all 3 locks, all of which were on my keychain which was on my person at all times.
When I didn't have them on me, they'd be in the hidden space behind the hinged piece of skirting board behind my bed.
As someone who likes to break into things (legally, with permission, blah blah blah) I can assure you that no amount of locks will keep a determined individual from something, especially if they know the schedule of the people they're concerned about and if they have an effectively unlimited time with the thing they're breaking into.
Locks will deter, not prevent, theft or unwanted handling. If there's a way to access it, it is accessible to anyone with time and intent.
I like picking locks and even if I don't have the skill for a certain lock, I've opened them by accident just by trying over and over. I just needed time.
A gun safe by itself is not enough.
A locked door is not enough.
I know someone who used to take the firing pins out of every firearm, which would then be in a locked box in a floor safe under his bed. Guns in a locked safe, with a locked closet and locked room door. That was when he had nieces and nephews that came over a few times a month. Once he had his kids, the guns went to storage at his dad's house. His reasoning? He used to steal alcohol from his parents cabinet as a teen and they tried many many times to make it harder but he always managed to get to it. "I always found a way, so could my daughter"
My own firearms have cable locks through the chambers, they're locked in a keyed safe, and the safe is in a locked closet. The only copy of the safe key that isn't either on me or my wife is in a hollowed out 2x4 that looks like it's part of the ceiling in my attic just in case I ever lose my key but need into it.
I don't have kids so I'm not concerned with someone who has a lot of time on their hands, but never underestimate how determined someone can be when they're told "you aren't allowed in there"
All of this is basically to say "the only way you're keeping someone permanently away from the guns in your house is to NOT HAVE GUNS IN YOUR HOUSE"
Unrelated,
Sorry the phrasing just gave me a giggle.
So even you here admit to losing positive confirmation of the location of the keys to your gun / ammo.
Hardly. I'd be asleep and they'd be in the hidden space behind the bed that I was lying in. The location was exactly where I left them and no one could get them without moving me, moving the bed, and knowing about my hiding place.
However, when it comes to criminal charges, they do have to draw a line where "accidents happen"
You may also need to have a gun be reasonably accessible for self defence in an emergency.
I'm not picking sides by the way, but I'm just sort of reckoning how something like this could happen with no charges.