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[-] oce@jlai.lu 14 points 1 year ago

Putin's propaganda is that the invasion of Ukraine is to denazify Ukraine. Basically any of his violent action is justified by calling his enemies Nazis and referring to the Soviet war against Nazi Germany (same as when the USA call others terrorists). So if he shot the plane, it's because it had Nazis. Top comment may support this way of thinking.

[-] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 83 points 1 year ago

No, it's because Prigozhin was a Nazi. No more complicated than that

[-] oce@jlai.lu 8 points 1 year ago

He is/was despicable as the leader of mercenaries ready to sell their services to any authoritarian regime, but I don't see clear relationship with Nazism, do you have sources? It seems weird to me that a Nazi would accept to work for African juntas for example.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I find it weird that the former liberal consensus was that Wagner was effectively a Nazi PMC group but now I guess it isn't?

[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

that consensus evaporated as soon as he staged his coup, all the libs lined up behind him immediately

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

When this is your internal narrative morshupls

[-] oce@jlai.lu 4 points 1 year ago

If you think I follow the ideology a specific movement, I'm afraid to tell you I don't. So I'm not sure what the former liberal consensus was. The Wikipedia article (generally consensual, I guess) does mention that a sub-group in particular is: the Rusich unit. It seems ironic that Putin pretends to fight Nazism by using Nazis, unless the goal is that they self-destruction, but I guess that's a fantasy.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

Putin never said he sought to annihilate Nazism in general, at least not that I know of. He said that among his goals is to denazify Ukraine, which I believe is true simply because the Ukrainian Nazis are his most hardliners opponents there. He does also crack down on Russian fascists when they become inconvenient to him (like darling of the west Navalny), but I don't think he ever claimed to be an antifascist.

[-] eatmyass@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

copied from above

Dmitry Utkin (who was also on the plane) is definitely a nazi, and Wagner has a lot of links to far-right elements in Russia. Wagner itself is supposed to reference Richard Wagner, Hitler's favorite composer

so Prigozhin is definitely in bed with nazis but idk anything about his actual beliefs

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Both can be true at the same time, with the caveat that actual Nazis aren't called Nazis in Russia but nationalists, patriots, suchlike.

But in the end Prigozhin might not have been a Nazi -- in the ideological sense -- but simply a crook. You don't really need a racist or such ideology to build a colonial empire in Africa, plain ole criminal mindset suffices.

[-] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Nazis are called patriots in Russia

limmy-what

[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Gets even better when you realize it's a German writing that

https://hexbear.net/comment/3814795

[-] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Putin's propaganda is that the invasion of Ukraine is to denazify Ukraine.

No that's Biden's propaganda. Putin only mentioned it along with a laundry list of reasons. But besides, Ukraine's ultranationalism is heavily based on Nazism.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

His laundry list of reasons including gay/trans Ukrainian super soldiers and other such nonsense?

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