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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 days ago

If the party is dead, why rely on a party designed from the ground up to serve wealthy donors? Entryism doesn't work.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 0 points 6 days ago

You spelled "take" wrong

It matters because the party isn't the people, it's infrastructure. It's buildings, it's support staff, it's mailing lists and payment processors

It's getting a special (often unfair) place on the ballot in all 50 states. It's 50 (often flawed) primary processes that follow local laws

And it's a banner. Not one people like, but it's one banner. A banner that theoretically stands for democracy and the common man

The left is not organized. Do we rally behind a fresh, ideologically pure banner? Which one? How long to work out which group is the best? How long until we can build up that infrastructure?

Fuck that. Winning is what matters.

The people are on our side for now, there's so much anger and energy. How long until they adjust to the new normal and go back to refusing to believe in a better world?

We have a chance right now. The next 18 months. In one sweep we can take a tattered banner and get in control - before people get cold feet. While they're still just screaming for someone to stop Trump.

We can use the momentum to unfuck our democracy once we take control, but we can't get distracted. There's no room for purity or lofty ideals. We have to take what is offered and exploit every opportunity. We have to use the system against itself.

We have to win. Now. Or we all die

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago

The infrastructure and design of the DNC is built from the ground up to service its donors, wealthy people. There isn't anything about a bourgeois party we need. Just join a party like PSL and learn from the success of other Socialists around the world. It isn't about ideological purity, it's about practicality, and what you're describing has never happened, ever. Entryism does not work, again.

The US never had a democracy. Trump is about as bad as every other president, only more honest about how evil it all is. The system cannot be used against itself, the state must be smashed and replaced entirely.

I understand that you have a lot of anger and energy, and I think it would be fantastic if you channeled that into studying successful leftist movements, read some theory, and join a good org, rather than try to repeat something that has never succeeded, ever.

[-] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com -5 points 6 days ago

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good

[-] m532@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 6 days ago

Whats supposedly "good"?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm not. I'm saying the strategy of entryism is far less likely to work than revolution would be, and would be less likely than a third party winning on a more progressive platform. Again, Entryism doesn't work, it's a fantasy, and the more energy we waste on it the less likely we are to get to a better world.

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