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Oof some tough questions for them
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What is NATOs involvement there?
The main NATO member countries are backing Israel, with money, weaponry, and promises of defense. This happened when the US invaded Iraq also.
Yes, but individual countries supporting Israel by eiter finance, ammo or just providing Air defense doesn't make this a NATO operation just because they are in NATO.
The US is making full usage of the bases in Europe to support Israel, without them it would have been logistically very hard; short of like the invasion of Afghanistan without the collaboration of Pakistan. These US bases fall under the US European Command (EUCOM) but are integrated into NATO’s architecture. The European NATO members, not only provide the bases, but subsidize the costs (e.g., infrastructure, utilities), therefore, becoming participants with the Israeli Campaign.
Countries can have some say. Spain, for instance, blocked some US airplanes destined to some campaigns, but it is just symbolic since the US just need not to declare the intention (or lie) and that is the end of the restrictions. It is not like Spain is going to inspect the vast amount of tonnage the US military is moving through Spanish ports, let alone between US bases. US could easily avoid the bases in Spain and use instead Germany, Italy and Morocco, but why would do so, when you can just humiliate your vassals in their face and have no repercussion at all... same as blowing up Nord Stream 2.
every single country in that T-word organization (I leave figuring out what the "T" word is as an exercise for the reader) provides material support, whether directly or indirectly, to the settler-colonial entity.
For starters, every single member has diplomatic ties with the settler-colonial entity (save for Turkey's intermittent "severing ties" posturing), that alone is substantial material support. Now, I'm not going to list every single notable contribution to the settler-colonial entity for each member state in that organization, so please point out which member state does not contribute to the baby-and-women-murdering sex offender haven "state".
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_211209.htm
And even if that was somehow true, which it isn't, it still doesn't change the fact that every single country in that T-word organization provides material support.
Well if you count decades old recognition of a state as a support of what is going currently in Gaza, i will not spend time to find any examples because on that premise you would be factually correct, but your premise is wrong. Past recognition of a state does not automatically mean support for its actions, which you seem to imply.
Coopertation on anything else with NATO not really adressing the point, as we are discussing the situation in Gaza specifically, not Israels ties with NATO in general.
Why do redditors read the first sentence, somehow completely take away the wrong information from the first sentence and then proceed to ignore the rest of the comment as they refuse to elaborate their position?
For starters, every single member has diplomatic ties with the settler-colonial entity. Two things that are explicitly clear here:
This does not only equate to "past recognition". Diplomatic ties entail cooperation and a relationship between two states that facilitiates, among other things, trade and transport agreements and citizen travel between the two states. This is diplomacy 101. That said, it should not be hard to understand why having diplomatic ties to a settler-colonial entity counts as support for the genocide of the Palestinians.
This is not the only point being made here. This is why I prefaced with "For starters". The fact of the matter is every NATO member does indeed provide material support to the vermin psycho-"state" full of grown men posing to the camera wearing clothes of the children and women they murder/violate.
Also, NATO ties to the entity is PERTINENT to the point that NATO members and NATO itself provides material support to the entity to slaughter Palestinians. It's not hard to understand from the excerpt what "30 years of cooperation on domains such as science and technology, counter-terrorism" etc.. means. I just provided proof that material support from NATO was and is still happening, straight from NATO.
Instead of engaging in deeply unserious one-note retorts that only serve to prove your lack of comprehension skills and insane mental gymnastics, point out which member state does not contribute to the baby-and-women-murdering sex offender haven “state”.
Redditors?
About diplomacy 101 My country has diplomatic relations with russia for example. We do however not cooperate in most aspects. In fact we are on the list of their enemies.
My country also has diplomatic ties with israel. And we do cooperate. Mostly in education. My country is also a NATO member without a single US soldier or base present. Also opposed to current Gaza events.
Vermin psycho state is a bit too much for me. I'd just stop the discussion here.
Am I supposed to know where "my country" is? Whatever, doesn't matter, we now learn that you don't really consider Palestinians humans, so good talk.