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The government has "strongly condemned" chants at Glastonbury Festival from rap punk duo Bob Vylan calling for "death" to the Israeli military and broadcast live on the BBC.

Rapper Bobby Vylan led chants of "free, free Palestine" and "death, death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" during their set, which came just before Belfast rap trio Kneecap.

A BBC spokesperson said some of the comments were "deeply offensive", adding it had issued a warning on screen about "very strong and discriminatory language". The set will not be available to rewatch on BBC iPlayer.

Police said they were reviewing videos of comments made by Bob Vylan and Kneecap to decide whether any offences had been committed.

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[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Death to the IDF" is not what I would chant, but it's honestly mild compared to the kinds of slogans (eg. "Death to Arabs" and "Let your village burn") West-funded, West-supported, West-armed, and West-protected-from-accountability Israeli fanatics chant before committing actual fucking atrocities. Hell, it's mild compared to the Amalek rhetoric of Israeli state leadership.

Edit: why is "death to the IDF" mild compared to "death to Arabs"? You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that's the price for keeping one's soul, so be it). You can at the very least not self-identify with it and distance yourself from what it has become. You can't choose to not be an Arab.

[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago

You can choose to not join or to leave the IDF (it might cost you some jail time, but if that’s the price for keeping one’s soul, so be it). You can’t choose to not be an Arab.

I see this delusional and out of touch argument being made all over the internet, and it's so damn annoying. These takes are always from chronically online larpers who never leave the comfort of their house, they always say shit like:

"why don't people of Iran just overthrow the theocracy?"

"why don't the people of North Korea just topple the Kim dynasty?"

"why don't Russian conscripts just refuse to fight in Ukraine?"

"why don't Israelis just refuse to be in the IDF?"

"why don't Americans just have a revolution?"

Could it be because that reality is not that simple? It's easy to sit there in your dark room all day dreaming about being a heroic revolutionary, but in reality? You wouldn't do shit because you understand that the consequences are a lot harsher in reality than in your imagination. This over simplistic view of the world just boils away the complexity and nuance of humanity. Nobody is willing to risk their freedom, stability, future, or life to appear moral or have a "clean soul". When shit gets real and you're in the same position as all these people, you'll end up doing the same as them. If reality was that easy then we wouldn't have tyrannical regimes or wars or exploitation, but we do. Trying to blame a 20 year conscript for being forced to serve in the military by extremist leaders is stupid and unhelpful. They're not making the situation better, but it's also not their fault they're in that position in the first place.

[-] kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

There are plenty of people refusing to join the idf, its not some mystical heroicism. Regardless of how people joined it, a military occupying land and committing a genocide is a legitimate target under international law.

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