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Ukraine blows up five jets ‘deep within Russian territory’
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So you want Ukraine to just capitulate? Just to satisfy your "peace at any cost" desires? Because Russia sure isn't going to.
So the answer is to fight Russia at all cost and completely defeat Russia? So the result would be sending billions more into the Ukrainian war machine (where global armaments companies can make a huge profit) ... Ukraine fights its way to the Russians and completely defeats them ... then what? ... it would force the Russians to use nuclear options ... and no nuclear armed nation would tolerate that and now we have nuclear weapons being exchanged .. and do you think everyone would just quietly and logically agree to launch one nuclear weapon for every one the other side sends?
The whole scenario of fighting at all cost just leads to one thing ... more war ... and more war leads to nuclear fallout
Disagree with me all you want ... I have no love for Russia ... I have no love for war ... I support Ukrainian independence ... there are political options that support these views ... I also value my life, your life and the lives of millions of people all over the world to say that I would rather see peaceful options to this conflict than to see a never ending fight that is slowly leading us all to nuclear war.
You need to understand some history, and the bigger picture.
Ukraine isn't Putin's endgame. He wants to rebuild the USSR, which means after taking Ukraine he's coming for the Baltics and parts of Poland and Romania, and we now know his playbook: cause political instability in the area, replace the locals with Russians, then claim they need to be "liberated" from "Western Nazis"; that's what he's already done several times, and is also why Moldova need to be seriously concerned about Transnistria (I'm sure they already are).
The history you need to understand is that of appeasement. It was tried with Hitler. But it didn't stop his lust for more and more, and the millions of deaths from WWI and WWII were the results. Giving Ukraine to Russia increases the chance of nuclear war; it doesn't decrease it.
So Putin must be stopped in Ukraine. And he must be pushed completely out of Ukraine including Crimea because otherwise he'll just regroup and try again later. Which he might still do anyway, but he'll have had to deal with the fallout of the huge cost of the Ukraine invasion for zero benefit and the Russian reputation and economy in tatters. But appeasement doesn't work and doesn't stop wars.
We don't need to completely defeat Russia. We just need to push them out of Ukraine and hold them back. What Russians do in their own country is their business. And when they're ready to rejoin the civilised world we should be equally ready to welcome them back. We also need to strengthen our entire eastern flank: not aggressively sabre-rattling, just enough to make Putin think twice about launching an invasion or starting any funny business there.
There's a similar problem on the horizon with China, and Taiwan isn't Xi's endgame.
Main sources: Vlad Vexler, Peter Zeihan, China Uncensored.
Not disagreeing with the general point but please note that China Uncensored is Falun Gong-affiliated and should really not trusted in anything they say about China. (I say this as someone who is very critical of China)
And Peter Zeihan... I don't know that guy just rubs me the wrong way. Also lots of right wing associations afaik.
Vlad Vexler is cool tho.