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How is anyone supposed to show empathy, let alone learn anything when even the slightest hint of wanting to have a conversation is met with this kind of reaction? I'm the villain? OK, but then you're an extremist.
I made it clear in my comment what I support, and it was certainly not denying anyone's right to exist. None of what I said supports the claim you made. What I pointed out is a major problem is exactly what you illustrate with your comment. It's impossible to discuss anything when 2 sides are so entrenched and unwilling to debate. I get the urgency and gravity of what is happening right now, but for people like me, who consider themselves very sympathetic to the trans community, you're making it very hard to help. It's either support everything we say, or shut the f up. That's never going to work.
And on the data you're referring to around gender-affirming care, show me. Latest I heard, this is a very young field of study, and data, if any, is inconclusive. And yet here I am, supporting gender-affirming care, having to defend the position that please can we tread with care. Insanity!
As you (seem to) point out, trans people in sports is a different conversation. The science is clearer, but now we have a group of formerly (and frankly, still) marginalised people (women at birth, biologically) who fear unfair advantage. Much more political, philosophical even, a much harder debate. I empathise with both sides, how villainous of me.
So, showing empathy to you is hard. You reap what you sow.
Hi. I’m not sure what data she’s referring to that shows trans women have no athletic advantage in sports.
I’m trans and I disagree completely.
I believe the issue at hand is, and always has been, male puberty.
I don’t want people who went through male puberty physically competing against people who haven’t.
Male puberty gives an advantage that is not really possible to “undo” completely.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10641525/
Also, you are not bad for asking questions, or sharing your assumptions. I welcome them.
You mean well. That’s what matters.
Thank you.
Hey, thanks for this thoughtful response. This is basically what I'm seeing happening; I don't think it's a black and white, clear cut situation. On the one hand there's trans people, who feel discriminated against on this matter, on the other hand there's women who have similar sentiments on the same. And here I am agreeing with them both. An impossible position. Agreeing with one side is denying the other. I don't see a solution to this and that really sucks.
I didn't actually comment to ask questions to be honest, but to comment on the polarisation that is happening, and that folks who are sympathetic perhaps become less sympathetic when immediately being put away as Satan. That's burning bridges which you can't afford as a minority.
But, I'm happy I did comment because there's also some really good insights here and thoughtful responses. I don't know any trans people IRL, so it's valuable to me.
Thank you