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Square Enix’s heroine embodies an age-old issue developers have with women in video games.

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[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

And here I was, hoping that an actual nuanced discussion could happen on here, instead of a Reddit-esque “Kotaku sux” kind of thing.

I almost didn’t post it because I suspected half the replies would be people complaining about Kotaku like it’s still 2014, and now I see I should have gone with my gut.

[-] Enttropy@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Right. It’s a Reddit-esque reaction, when literally the very own comment section of that incredible piece of journalism is filled with people calling the author disingenuous. But what kind of nuanced discussion you expected to happen when you only typed a single sentence? Have you played the game? What’s your opinion about it?

Anyway, let’s have a nuanced discussion about the article:

The author spends one third of the article praising Jill as a character because she’s fiery, emotional, has killed people and is the powerful vessel of inhuman powers that she gets to control. And then goes to compare her with Hello Kitty, a mute character, despite Jill having more lines and screen time than any other character, besides the main one. Why? Because she’s a composed character and doesn’t crack to pressure.

And this is what really makes me roll my eyes: The author claims Jill is like Hello Kitty for not saying much, but then cites Clive brushing off a ton of pain and and anguish saying "It was nothing." So now both the main male character and the secondary female one are Hello Kitties for keeping things for themselves? But the problem for the author is that we see the main character, Clive, later exploding from all the pain and pressure, but Jill doesn’t get that scene for herself, and when Clive explodes she’s an spectator.

Then her normal relationship with Clive is seen as a problem by the author because patriarchy. Her being pretty? A problem because "there are studies that show that pretty people are often seen as smart and kind". Her being "cisgender" and white? A problem.

In my opinion, the author is literally looking for any reason to complain about the game. "Jill should be more than pretty" reads off as "Jill’s and Clive’s roles should’ve been swapped, Jill should’ve been queer, ugly, and anything but white." in all Kotaku’s fashion.

And regarding you blaming me for being part of a problem you felt in your gut, well, I’d just tell you to grow some thicker skin because an expected opposing opinion shouldn’t be a deterrent to voice yours. You wanted to have a nuanced discussion but I’ve yet to read your opinion on Jill as a character and the article.

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

That “one sentence” is literally from the article and is auto-pulled. But go off, I guess.

And I actually don’t have an opinion, because I’m a PC gamer and it’s not out on PC yet. I wanted to hear from people who have played it. So again, go off, I guess.

Anyway, you have a lovely day. You’re not someone I actually want to engage with further.

[-] Enttropy@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Oh, so you haven’t played the game…

Thanks for the downvotes and have a wonderful day too!

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