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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago

Buttigieg is one of the best politicians America has right now.

Him growing a beard is a completely different thing from known bitch Ted Cruz growing one.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, that's a really low bar. I like Pete, and I would certainly vote for him instead of just about anyone in any position of government. But I do think our standards have been lowered to the point where "not a nazi shitbag" is going to put him in the upper echelon.

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

But I do think our standards have been lowered to the point where “not a nazi shitbag” is going to put him in the upper echelon.

I agree, but in many places lesser evil is the best we can do. I think if one lives in a red state then we need to vote as much as we can to minimize harm. If we live in a blue state we need to vote for the most progressive dem in primaries to start the shift away from corporate dems. In pretty much every election from the last 30 years non voting has been the biggest voter block.

Protesting is important too, but we need to follow up the energy and vote as well. Otherwise we are saying that we care a lot about something, but not enough to go all the way with our complaint.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm with you completely, I'm just feeling grumpy today.

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Pete isnt a low standard. Hes would be a good candidate in pretty much any country.

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[-] Semester3383@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

All of politics is a compromise. You can't actually accomplish anything if you have a dogmatic approach to it. That's why Sanders, who I very nearly wholeheartedly support, is so rarely able to actually get anything done. And bless him for it!, he's the moral compass we need! But to get things done, politicians need to make deals, sometimes with shitty people.

I don't like everything that Buttigieg represents. But I like him a lot more than Newsom, who throws trans people under the buss without provocation. I certainly like him more than Joe Walsh, the 'former' (?) Tea Party conservative that now claims to be a Democrat.

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

How exactly are Republicans compromising with the American left right now?

[-] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

There's a difference between reasonable compromise and compromising with fascists who want to kill people. You cant deal with or compromise with them, especially since they will never work to compromise with you when they're in power. And atleast so far it feels like the current democratic party tried to move right during the election to compromise with these people rather then standing firm on certain principles like protecting migrants. People like Bernie dont win because the corporate interests and the establishment of the party will throw everything against them to stop them from winning. There's a reason one of the most popular things in America is a progressive ballot measures, even in red states.

[-] Semester3383@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

You cant deal with or compromise with them

You kind of have to, since government relies on the consent of the governed. When enough of them will no longer consent to being governed, your government will fail. But if you really want to address that problem, you look at the reasons why people turn to fascism; it's not something that happens in a vacuum.

In this case, the dems are handling it badly; they're trying to move to the right in order to give the fascists the things that they say they want. But what they say they want isn't really the root issue, which means that dems can never go far enough right to win their vote.

[-] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I generally agree with you, Dems aren't doing good at providing an alternative and are actively fighting against voices in the party who are offering an alternative. But at the same time you can't let the fascists accomplish their agenda, you have to use the same tactics they use against the Dems when they're in power. No compromising and obstructing on every thing you can to stop them from being able to implement what they want. Doing that while offering a progressive populist vision would be the only way to recover and pull people back from people like Trump.

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[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

This motherfucker can fuck off. He helped the DNC crush Bernie Sanders run in 2020. Also he is a fucking neoliberal who steals titles now.

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Add that he enabled the Biden disaster to the list. He was supposedly his mock debate partner and didn't raise any red flags about Biden's mental health. Seriously, fuck that guy.

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Bidens mental health was never the issue. Its why right wingers switched to a new attack as soon as Harris was put in and havent mentioned a single thing about trumps mental health which is arguable worse than biden ever was.

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, if you want to rewrite history that could be true. Everyone was fearful of Biden's mental health because they kept him out of the public. Then, when he did the debate, he confirmed everyone's fears. It wasn't that long ago, how have you already forgotten?

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

harris was a curveball and they couldnt compensate quickly enough, but harris misstep was tamping down her rhetoric, and now trying elicit hispanic and aa voters.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

Also, her interview answer about not doing anything different from the Biden administration was political malpractice of the first order.

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that she seemed completely caught off guard for what was possibly the most obvious question definitely didn't help. Of all questions to not prepare for...

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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 11 points 2 weeks ago

If "best" means technically proficient, then sure. He does the politician thing better than any other establishment Democrats I can think of. If "best" means good for the country, then I have some notes. Obama was the same kind of character, and Trump was the result. I'm not sure I want to go down the highly charismatic Wall Street bitch route again.

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

like all neoliberals in the Dem establishment, Butti will always do what the corporations tell him. don’t fall for it, we need to demand better.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Well that's upsetting.

[-] whynotzoidberg@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

And a politician he is, willing to be bought in exchange for political capital.

Stealing from my comment in a different thread:

I’m still upset with Buttigieg for his pre-Super-Tuesday drop out. He joined the establishment to rally against Sanders. In doing so, he became part of what’s wrong with the party.

While I don’t think poorly of him as a person per se, he is also just another politician.

In contrast, I see folks like Sanders and AOC as real agents of change.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

If Sanders and AOC aren't the future of the Democratic Party, then the Republicans are just going to keep winning. Neolibs simply aren't popular. They aren't far enough to the left for the leftists, and they aren't far enough to the right for the conservatives.

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[-] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

We can't be friends with a take like that. I'll never forgive how he treated Bernie.

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[-] A7thStone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

It's sad when a McKinsey ghoul is one of our best choices right now.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

or the likes of shapiro growing one. ted cruz sheds his skin in cancun and greece.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Pete is a CIA asset.

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