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[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I fucking hope, but we already seen that at 1st Trump term and after Biden was elected entire EU again got back to licking US boot, including something as unbelivable as fully allowing nordstream sabotage.

[-] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago

I don’t know what to believe about Nordstream, but I’m not even mad if that accelerates the transition out of fossil fuel.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago

It don't though, it just rises the price of energy because the gas still flows, even more than before, just from USA, Norway and yes, sill Russia, even more of it, but through middlemen. The sabotage also caused significant ecological catastrophe in the Baltic.

About the sabotage itself you have three versions available:

  1. Truth, that USA bombed it, possibly with participation of Norway (note above paragraph, curiously the very same countries that gained the most on it, qui bono, eh?)
  2. USA version, where Ukraine did it, despite lacking means
  3. Official German/EU version, that is no version, because both above versions means that Germany is either vassal (ver1) or war ally (ver2) of country which attacked Germany in a biggest peacetime sabotage in German history.
[-] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

It made it painfully clear to the public opinion how much society relies on gas.

Unfortunately the general public doesn’t understand long term reasoning: nor climate change, nor energy independence. If it doesn’t happen right now, it’s ignored by most people. The high spike in price worked really well to open a debate to support more renewables or nuclear power.

Consider that even now, after all that happened, the EU has a noisy minority trying to shoot down alternatives to gas.

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