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[-] axont@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Is there a non-ableist way of saying this? I feel like anyone driven to a fracture in reality specifically because of AI chatbots is a fucking idiot. Like not in a disability way, I mean they're a complete fucking fool who has limited experience with the world outside of the confines of their own ass.

I don't know if I'm just being ableist but it's all I can think of. The computer isn't talking to you, it's a speak and spell. Imagine a person treating a furby like it's alive or it has any insight whatsoever. Imagine someone with one of those spinny talking toys that tells you what sounds the farm animals make and they think it makes them an expert agricultural scientist. Like you'd have to be a dipshit, right?

[-] fox@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

It is ableist. People falling to AI-induced delusion are already on a thin edge well before the machine that agrees paranoia is justified comes into play. LLMs are hazardous to those using them as therapists at the best of times because the things give the impression of being human while never ever disagreeing or pushing back.

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

The difference between a regular person struggling and a multi-millionaire like this guy, is that this guy has literally any and all resources at his disposal to help. I find it hard to have sympathy for people struggling through entirely self-inflicted misery, especially when they are responsible for inflicting that same misery on thousands of others.

[-] fox@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Don't have to sympathize to realize it's ableist. Being vulnerable to psychosis is a medical condition and being wealthy doesn't make you immune to it.

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

That's true, maybe I have less sympathy because I've been diagnosed with psychosis myself and it is a bit of a "bootstraps mentality" with regards to it. Maybe I'm being too harsh on myself with that, but it is kind of like...I don't like the idea some people perpetuate that it can be "ableist" to judge someone struggling with mental illness that has done nothing to improve their situation. I don't think it is ableism to not want people to wallow in self-inflicted misery. These are just my thoughts, I'm not saying you're implying that or think like that, I'm not trying to be aggressive or abrasive, so sorry if it is coming across that way, that really isn't my intention.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah you're probably right. We already have a mental health crisis and the AI is just a piece of it. I can't imagine a healthy person believing the LLM has anything meaningful to say unless they have no idea what an LLM is.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I will go out on a limb here as someone who has been diagnosed with 'unclassified impulse control issues' (I didn't really know how to keep my mouth shut and emotions in check), but is now just considered 'abnormal but we trust you to medicate yourself properly' which is a weird place to be in, while there may be an element of ableism in there, a large part of it comes from the fact that these people are on the very low end of the spectrum of their anxiety disorders and yet have found a way through self-medication to trigger and intensify it in themselves.

If they were higher on the spectrum with it, it likely would have triggered earlier, and they would be more self-conscious from having to deal with it when they were younger. This is, of course, assuming they had access to mental health care at all. The fact of the matter is that they are absolutely correct to be paranoid. We are being passively observed, usually illegally, and our data is then used to feed us content and products all the time, tapping into our greatest insecurities and FOMO to do so. Most anxiety-ridden people I know are anxiety-ridden because they have full understanding of this at all times and it absolutely paralyzes them, with the most common one I have personally witnessed being someone having a literal mental breakdown over choice and calorie anxiety from a fast food menu. Which they are correct to be anxious over because too much of that stuff is definitely bad for you. For myself, massive anxiety hits whenever I enter a big city, because it suddenly dawns on me that there are hundreds of thousands, of not millions of people living there, most of whom will never be aware of me nor I of them.

In this way, this kind of LLM induced anxiety is both stupid in its creation and ableist in not having sympathy despite the stupidity of it. TLDR: It can be both.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Disagree. I have loved ones with schizophrenia, and this hits close to home.

Maybe this isn't a mental health thing, but I don't think (all of) the concern is ungenuine.

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