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[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I had never heard this, do you have a place I can read more?

Not really. It's just the logical conclusion of Stalin not being an idiot, and Nazi's being vehemently anti-bolshevik, and Stalin knew that.

Stalin himself was nicknamed "the grey blur" because he was so difficult to fathom, but he wasn't dumb. A child could see the Nazis would break the pact, but he simply figured Hitler was as smart as him and wouldn't do it yet. He had Germany by the balls, sitting on a massive pile of raw resources they needed desperately, only a complete idiot would turn on that...

And of course, Russia wasn't exactly in amazing military shape in the early 40s, but since Stalin assumed Hitler would play it smart, he'd have time to prepare better. And since Russia had vastly more industrial potential than tiny Germany that was at war with the largest naval and colonial empire in the world, they were absolutely going take that time.

Now, would Stalin strike first in 1942, 1943 or even 1948? Who knows. Stalin didn't even order breakfast in advance, let alone write down plans like that. But he knew the Molotov-von Ribbentrop Pact was a stopgap measure at best.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago

IDK, I get what you're saying, but I feel like if this was as compelling and obvious as you're saying some historians would also say it.

I just got disillusioned about Lindybeige not knowing what he's talking about, so maybe I'm extra skeptical.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Quite a few works on the Soviet response to operation Barbarossa will mention it.

Stumbling Colossus (David Glantz) is a decent book that's very readable, and it at the very least mentions this.

There's also What Stalin Knew: the Enigma of Barbarossa, (David Murphy), which looks at the intelligence supplied to Stalin. It paints a picture that Stalin thought he was being lied to by people who wanted to attack Germany before they were ready, so he ignored all signs of the incoming attack.

I don't really know any book that goes in depth on Stalin's far future plans that would never come to pass, but it's mentioned a fair bit.

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