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[-] eatmyass@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

everything I can find on Utkin says he was into Nazi and pagan shit, and that the name Wagner came from him

[-] FamousPlan101@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

1: It's based on one photo that doesn't even look like him, this is how he really looks like, compare the 2 photos:

  1. The wagner name is grasping on straws, he was a famous composer, it doesn't definatively prove that Wagner is nazi.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Dmitry_Utkin_passport_photo_%28cropped%29.jpg/220px-Dmitry_Utkin_passport_photo_%28cropped%29.jpg

[-] eatmyass@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The neopagan religion stuff (which is a pretty good signifier of neo-nazi ideology) and Wagner stuff does not come from the photo. There is evidence that he is a Nazi that has nothing to do with the photo. Idk, I feel pretty confident saying he's a Nazi.

[-] FamousPlan101@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If you could elaborate further on the neopagan stuff that isn't from the photo that would be nice.

[-] eatmyass@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

alright so I traced the neopagan thing back to its source, and it looks like it ultimately came from Radio Free Europe, an interview with a Wagner commander. Obviously not everything that RFE publishes is false, but it's not really my favorite source to rest my claims on. It seems like all other reporting on Utkin being a neopagan comes from there. If you want to take a look, here (it's archived).

I think the neo-Nazi stuff rests on more solid ground though

[-] FamousPlan101@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

sry I meant neonazi stuff

Also this is from Rainer Shea https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2020/08/14/pmc-structure-exposed/

In that same report, Bellingcat includes a statement which confirms that the famous Dmitry Utkin who’s been tied to Russian mercenary activity is not the same Utkin whose (supposed) Nazi tattoo photo has been widely shared by pro-NATO propagandists on social media. Bellingcat states about Prigozhin’s catering company Concord, whose CEO’s name was also Dmitry Utkin: “the Dmitry Valeryevich Utkin in fact appointed as CEO was not the Wagner Group commander. In fact, this Dmitry Utkin was created just a month earlier – through a legal name change (permissible in Russia) of a little-known St. Petersburg resident, eighteen years younger than the original Utkin and having only three months of prior management experience running his own startup company: Alexey Karnaukhov.” Karnaukhov is the alleged neo-Nazi who these propagandists claim is a mercenary commander. In reality, he’s nothing more than a business partner of Prigozhin, a business partner whose role is wholly detached from mercenary activities. And because he looks vaguely similar to the shirtless, scowling man with Nazi tattoos on his shoulders who’s appeared in a viral photo, the Ukrainian disinformation agents have falsely claimed he’s the same person as this man.

[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Bellingcat is RFE-tier, especially after the coup attempt when western media 180'd on wagner.

[-] FamousPlan101@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago
[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

o shit 2020, ty

[-] eatmyass@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

it literally says in that story

thanks to his obsessive fascination with the history of third Reich – [he] had received the nom-de-guerre “Wagner”.

[-] FamousPlan101@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's because he just likes the music of Wagner.

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