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The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA. If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.

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[-] percent@infosec.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago

This is the first thing I've ever disliked about Switzerland (not that I know a lot about the country).

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

You've not heard of shady banking, Nazi gold, reluctance to stop dealing with Russia, women not being able to vote until the 70s, and Nestle?

Switzerland gets aggressively simped for online, and there's certainly some nice things about them, but there's also some pretty awful things.

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Those are all very bad, but on the other hand their flag is a big plus.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

It's also a big red flag.

[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, the whole "private banking" history thing the EFF seems to lionize in the article was 100% just for serving lucrative international robber barrons and other criminals. It was never about protecting regular citizens privacy.

[-] percent@infosec.pub 1 points 2 weeks ago

I meant current times, not in the past. Sorry, I assumed that would be obvious. There are also some things I like about Germany, though they have a pretty terrible past.

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Nazi gold didn't disappear after the Nazis fell. They still pocketed it all, despite knowing where all that wealth came from, and did fuck all to help rebuild Europe.

Other things like their appeasing attitude towards Russia, reluctance to allow weapons exports to Ukraine, and willingness to export weapons to awful regimes are all unambiguously current.

[-] percent@infosec.pub 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Huh. On the surface, they don't sound very neutral on the weapons stuff 😕. TIL. I wonder what their underlying reasoning for this is

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Money, it's always money...

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think someone like you, Grand Nagus, would admire the Swiss over most of that ;)

[-] Birch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Hold up now! I'll have you know in some parts of the country women couldn't vote until the 90s! Also unmarried cohabitation was illegal in some cantons until the 80s and paternity leave as a concept only exists in Switzerland since the 00s.

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

US is still lacking that last item....

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 weeks ago

Reluctance to stop dealing with Russia is a single positive in the list.

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Oh look, one of Lemmy's many resident tankies.

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 week ago

Oh look, another one who's brain has been melted by propaganda.

[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

There's a reason every billionair has a bank account in Switzerland.

And it's not to pay more taxes. Or to launder less money.

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