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[-] lightrush@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago

Mostly yes but there are functional differences in convenience. For example the standard upgrade process is completely manual. You have to disable third party repos. You have to change the repos. You have to check if you have space. You have to remove obsolete oackages. And more. On Ubuntu, the software update tool does all that, eliminating a lot of possibility for error. To an exoerienced user, the Debian process is fine. A novice would have plenty of opportunity for frustration and pain.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 4 points 1 day ago

What? Software Center is GNOME, not Ubuntu. Discover is KDE, not Ubuntu. Debian updates can be done the same way? I don't do any of the things you mention. Using SC or just apt upgrade works just fine.

[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

They're talking about a Debian 12 -> Debian 13 upgrade

On Debian, you get release notes on what commands to run.

Ubuntu has their own software update utility, separate from Software Center or Discover, that runs the commands for you

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 20 hours ago

Ahhh OK. I've always gone fresh for a full upgrade. But does apt dist-upgrade not work? That's what the docs say to do.

[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

You have to at least modify your sources.list.d manually first. For most people, updating sources.list.d and running full-upgrade will probably work fine...

The full instructions are

  1. run dist-upgrade
  2. remove back ports
  3. remove obsolete packages
  4. remove non-debian packages
  5. clean up old configuration files
  6. add non-free-firmware (this is a 12 -> 13 specific)
  7. remove proposed updates
  8. disable pinning
  9. update sources.list.d to point to the next release
  10. apt upgrade --without one wrongs
  11. apt full-upgrade

It takes like an hour? but it's still not "just press okay."

Ubuntu's has broken on some upgrades for friends and they had to do the whole Debian process manually, but it does try to automate the removals, disablements, and updating sources

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 10 hours ago

Ahh yea, thats not too great

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