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Alright, I'd rather get some water cannon and tear gas thrown at me than being run over by an APC or shot but to each their own I suppose.
The west runs over protestors all the time. The PRC both has incredibly low crime rates and police that don't even carry guns except for SWAT-style teams.
You have no clue what you're talking about and live with a permanent Red Scare mindset.
I don't live in the US lol, I dont like them either
You bringing a single video of a police car where none of the protestors (who are surrounding the police car and being aggressive) got run over to show how comparable it is Tiananmen is laughable. But yes the rEd ScArE is clouding my judgement
The riots around Beijing in 1989 were also aggressive. The protestors were firebombing and lynching unarmed PLA officers. That doesn't mean the hundreds of deaths that day aren't tragic, but it wasn't the kind of wholesome, peaceful liberal protests the west makes it out to be. Today, protests against western states are met with violent crackdowns, police running over protestors, and more. The PRC on the other hand has an incredibly low crime rate, solves crime non-violently when possible, and has far more support by the people in the first place.
You have no points. You don't believe Chinese people, you don't trust statistics, all you have is chauvanism, believing you know better than the people of China how they should govern themselves and who they should support.
How many videos do you want? Florida makes it explicitly legal to do so.
All you're saying is that you don't trust western polls, eastern polls, or any statistics whatsoever. It's willing blindness. What would it take to convince you that the people of China support their system if you don't trust them at their word?
China is a democracy for the people, not a dictatorship of capital like western countries. You have no points, you don't trust Chinese people.
Didn't realize you were asking for non-US examples. Here's Germany cracking down on dissent violently. Bloody May Day is a direct massacre of leftists.
One party systems can be democratic, as is the case in the PRC. The DPRK is also fairly democratic, it is a coalition government primarily led by the WPK, but also led by a religious Chongduist party and a Social Democratic party.
All you've done is repeat Red Scare nonsense, you don't genuinely analyze anything and think Chinese people cannot think for themselves, which is chauvanism. I am not going to apologize for being a communist.
Turkey is in the process of joining the EU, is this just you saying only those white enough count? What about the Republic of Korea, that massacred 1000s in Gwang-Ju despite being set up to model western democracy?
As for one-party states, what's important is that the people have an impact on policy and the direction of the state, which is factually higher in the PRC. Choosing which party doesn't matter nearly as much as choosing policy and direction.
Laughing at the DPRK being a coalition government based on approval voting doesn't actually counter it. This is just more of your Euro-chauvanism bleeding through.
If you were a Chinese citizen, you would not be scared. You would not be worried about censorship unless you were a capitalist. Again, you incessantly put words in the mouths of Chinese citizens and say you don't believe them, nor trust even western polling in China. There's nothing you'd believe, because of your Euro-supremacist attitude.
I live in the US, and those with my views are jailed or killed for speaking out. No western country is a democracy, all are dictatorships of capital that depend on imperialism. Acting smugly superior for being European despite the neocolonialism and imperialism directly subsidizing your life and the terror the west inflicts on the global south is why you need to do some major self-crit.