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[-] trinsec@piefed.social 22 points 4 months ago

Dutch, French, and German?

[-] crandlecan@mander.xyz 17 points 4 months ago
[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago
[-] crandlecan@mander.xyz 6 points 4 months ago
[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

As always is with Belgium

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Germans always pop upp somewhere univited

[-] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 months ago

Sie riefen nach mir?

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

We call it 'Chili'

[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.cafe 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Suprised no ones attacked you for calling Flemish Dutch ahhaha.

(They lowkey are the same language but many people in Flanders hate it being called dutch ahhaha)

[-] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's mutually understandable but there are quite some differences. I would name them separately.

[-] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 4 months ago

Both are just lower german with extra steps

[-] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 4 months ago

The more drunk we get the more it sounds like English.

[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago

There is a saying in linguistics attributed to every smart person who ever worked in that field: A language is a dialect with a navi and an army.

Basically saying it's a political idea to separate dialects into distinct languages. Historically, it was the formation of nation states and it's part of the national identity to speak a common language.

TLDR Sure, Flemish and Dutch form a dialect continuum but so does Dutch and German (and obviously Luxembourgish)

[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.cafe 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yes. This is often true. But Flemish and Dutch are far far closer in linguistic distance than dutch and german.

And they are completely mutually intelligeble. Unlike Dutch and German, (which I prefer to call hochdeutsch, since german is a nationalist contruct that erases many other languages spoken by peoples living in Germany-Switzerland-Austria.)

Like here we get a distance between Flemish and Dutch of 5.6, that’s the lowest I’ve ever seen with this tool.

While 13.5 with Dutch and German.

Compare that to French and Occitan, Occitan is a Romance language in southern France, which got erased and often claimed it’s just “part of french”. The distance between them is 20.

Edit: Playing round a bit more with the tool, Your point is proven. The distance between Dutch and Afrikaans is lower. Only 2. Yet that’s considered different languages.

[-] Hagdos@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Edit: Playing round a bit more with the tool, Your point is proven. The distance between Dutch and Afrikaans is lower. Only 2. Yet that’s considered different languages.

That doesn't make sense to me. I'm a native Dutch speaker, I have little issue understanding Flemish. Afrikaans is clearly closely related too, but definitely harder to understand.

[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.cafe 1 points 4 months ago

The tool measures distance with vocabulary. Afrikaans may be closer in vocabulary but pronounced very differently (since there’s way less cross talking since it’s so isolated), which would make it harder to understand to a Dutch speaker?

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