Yeah. Didn’t want to get in the weeds over such a depressing subject. First to go will be those dependent on medication and medical life support for survival, like insulin. Then next will be those without access to clean water, they’ll pick up pathogens and die soon when coupled with the lack of food. Then lack of food and exposure to cold and excessive heat will eat away the rest, along with infections and other diseases, and attacks by other humans. I don’t know that I ever understood peppers because the vast majority of them seem to assume some form of society would re-emerge, but if society ever collapses to the point where one actually needs to hole-up and wait out whatever calamity happened then there won’t be a civilization left. They’ll live long enough to die of an infection or other illness, or their supplies run out. Fuck knows that nobody will likely survive in a group containing the skills to build farmland and have enough animals like a 1600’s village to survive. Think of the support network they had even then that wouldn’t exist. From smiths to charcoal suppliers, sheep and wool, draft animals, etc. Peppers would survive to be the king atop a dead planet.