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Youtube frontend are not the solution!
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Odysee is a nonstarter for me with its lack of moderation, resulting in a lot of right-wing hate filled garbage. Also, their thing with using some virtual currency and paying creators is weird. I want no part of cryptocurrency or "space dollars" or whatever they want to call it. PeerTube is ideal but not enough people are posting to it, which is frustrating. Youtube frontends, like invidious, are our best solution until creators move to something else.
yeah but is the only decent alternative in my opinion. There are several privacy and tech creator. In future maybe will be better. But we need to use alternative to youtube. This is the point. Also if it's not perfect. Ai is coming to yt!
Odysee's policies make it unusable. I remember the first video I ever clicked to watch on Odysee was a video titled something like "What I am doing for Pride month." This video was on the front page at the top. I clicked it and it was some lady preaching about how Pride is evil and perverse and all kinds of hateful rhetoric and how it was ruining our children. I just looked at Odysee again and, months later, I see more of her videos on the front page. Upon exploring Odysee, there is even more of this type of content still freely available to watch. I don't care which way you lean, hate speech should never be acceptable. It is well known that the platform is a right wing cesspool. Here is a Reddit thread from 5 years ago where people were discussing the same thing, nothing has changed. It is the platform you go to when you are too crazy for YouTube (which is pretty nuts). It is not a viable alternative to YouTube for most people. There doesn't exist a good alternative, PeerTube being the most promising option at the moment.
I fundamentally disagree. Look at what they are doing now framing Israel criticism as “hate speech”. Either all speech is free speech or none is, because “hate” can be defined as anything. You could easily frame all sorts of speech as “hate” speech against some group.
Now we can have a conversation about the merits of free speech, which is an entirely different beast. But if you are comfortable with limiting speech, you need to necessarily be comfortable with the fact that the same mechanism can and will be used to limit your speech.
Free speech is not all speech. It never has been. People who think everyone should be allowed to say whatever are the same people who just want to say the "N" word and other hateful things without consequences. There should always be consequences for what you say and I don't care which way it lands ideologically on the subject of free speech, hate speech is wrong, period. It is widely accepted what hate speech is; if you say anything against marginalized groups, you are wrong. If you use religion to justify your hate, you are wrong. If you call for the harm of others, you are wrong. Call it what you want. I am not going to sit here and debate free speech. My point was Odysee is full of the worst kind of people and you should not have to suffer those people because you want an alternative to YouTube.
I agree with this.
Ai is getting to more than just YT. Nothing is perfect just yet.