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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 15 points 2 days ago

crypto was the previous shiny new toy until it dint work, now AI will go through the same fate.

crypto was the previous shiny new toy until it dint work

The market cap of crypto is currently at all time highs.

[-] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago

Riiight, and how much of that is due to things being in actual "real-world" use, and how much of that is due to speculation?

Oh yes. A huge amount of speculation. Just like NVDA.

My point is that you can say a lot of negative things about crypto, but you can't say it doesn't work. It definitely works.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

It doesn't work as a currency. It "works" as a speculative investment in that the bubble hasn't yet popped.

But, what if the bubble doesn't actually pop, and the prices remain at the current levels, more or less, for another couple of decades. If that happens, will cryptocurrencies be seen to "work"?

I think i made a mistake by using the market cap as evidence that it works, because this just shows people believe it is valuable. Not that it works.

What I mean is that the technology is mature and adopted by a large number of independent users. However, it doesn't yet have mass adoption because the user experience is not yet seamlessly integrated into legacy systems.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

What I mean is that the technology is mature and adopted by a large number of independent users

That doesn't mean it isn't a speculative bubble.

it doesn't yet have mass adoption because the user experience is not yet seamlessly integrated into legacy systems

Or it doesn't have mass adoption for the same reason that legacy systems don't accept payment in tulip bulbs.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago

If you are hung up on value, let's just consider stablecoins.

The price of a particular token has nothing to with how blockchain works. It works.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago

Stablecoins? The best that you can hope for is that they keep their promise not to crash. And sometimes they do crash and people lose all their value. They're like having cash, but much, much worse.

The price of a particular token has nothing to with how blockchain works. It works.

Blockchain is just an incredibly inefficient distributed database. Of course the price of a token has nothing to do with an incredibly inefficient distributed database. So what?

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago

Blockchain is just an incredibly inefficient distributed database.

Agreed. Most of the time a traditional database is far cheaper and better performing.

The key innovation of blockchain is that write access is algorithmic, not centrally controlled. This feature is not possible with any other technology.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago
[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

write access is algorithmic, not centrally controlled.

[-] MadBigote@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Works as a publicly shared, immutable, secure database (and small calculation) engine.

[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

I own crypto because I believe in idea of decentralised money, but I acknowledge that current solutions are just all bad in one way or another. If fiat disappeared tomorrow and everyone would be forced to use crypto daily, it would be a shitshow.

From an end UI perspective, certainly.

But if SWIFT was suddenly replaced by a blockchain technology then the world wouldn't even blink.

[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

You kidding? How many transactions per second bitcoin blockchain can do?

Lightning can, in theory, do one million transactions per second. But Bitcoin networks aren't really a drop in replacement for Swift.

Banks like J.P. Morgan prefer chains like Canton that are privacy enabled and have no upper limit on transaction.

[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

First time hearing about Canton. Is it properly decentralised?

You've not heard of it because it is banking focused. It's the newer option made to compete with Quorum and Corda.

It is decentralized, but it is not open write access. It a public permissioned network of private ledgers.

You and I could validate that the network is cryptographicly consistent, but we don’t have decentralized permission to interact.

[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

So, not decentralised in it's original sense, if a pack of people decide which operations are allowed. Decentralised as in "not a single bank".

See, this is what I mean when I say they all have flaws.

There is no central entity, so it is decentralized in the original definition. I gave Canton as the example because it could be immediately substituted for Swift. It's permissioned access by design, because banks don't want to risk their monopoly position.

For speed and cheapest, go for solana.

For reliability go for Ethereum. For reliability, speed and cheapness choose an L2 on Ethereum.

For illegal stuff use monero.

There are trade offs between them, but I wouldn't call them flaws. Blockchain as a technology definitely "works".

[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 day ago

If you have trillemas all over it IS flawed in one way or another. End users won't get through the complexity of multi-choice where every one has downsides. How do you even drive the adoption if every store would accept only their crypto of choice?

Ethereum has solved it's trillemas. Fiat has it's own flaws.

User experience is certainly a blocker. The only way round that at the moment is to put a familiar medium between the user and the crypto layer.

[-] prosecute_traitors@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Everybody knows market cap is directly proportional to real world value and usefulness.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago

There is always someone who reckons they can get something from nothing. Also long as they exist the bubbles will continue

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