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crypto was the previous shiny new toy until it dint work

The market cap of crypto is currently at all time highs.

[-] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago

Riiight, and how much of that is due to things being in actual "real-world" use, and how much of that is due to speculation?

Oh yes. A huge amount of speculation. Just like NVDA.

My point is that you can say a lot of negative things about crypto, but you can't say it doesn't work. It definitely works.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

It doesn't work as a currency. It "works" as a speculative investment in that the bubble hasn't yet popped.

But, what if the bubble doesn't actually pop, and the prices remain at the current levels, more or less, for another couple of decades. If that happens, will cryptocurrencies be seen to "work"?

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

I think i made a mistake by using the market cap as evidence that it works, because this just shows people believe it is valuable. Not that it works.

What I mean is that the technology is mature and adopted by a large number of independent users. However, it doesn't yet have mass adoption because the user experience is not yet seamlessly integrated into legacy systems.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

What I mean is that the technology is mature and adopted by a large number of independent users

That doesn't mean it isn't a speculative bubble.

it doesn't yet have mass adoption because the user experience is not yet seamlessly integrated into legacy systems

Or it doesn't have mass adoption for the same reason that legacy systems don't accept payment in tulip bulbs.

[-] MadBigote@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago
[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Works as a publicly shared, immutable, secure database (and small calculation) engine.

[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

I own crypto because I believe in idea of decentralised money, but I acknowledge that current solutions are just all bad in one way or another. If fiat disappeared tomorrow and everyone would be forced to use crypto daily, it would be a shitshow.

From an end UI perspective, certainly.

But if SWIFT was suddenly replaced by a blockchain technology then the world wouldn't even blink.

[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

You kidding? How many transactions per second bitcoin blockchain can do?

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

Lightning can, in theory, do one million transactions per second. But Bitcoin networks aren't really a drop in replacement for Swift.

Banks like J.P. Morgan prefer chains like Canton that are privacy enabled and have no upper limit on transaction.

[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 1 points 22 hours ago

First time hearing about Canton. Is it properly decentralised?

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

You've not heard of it because it is banking focused. It's the newer option made to compete with Quorum and Corda.

It is decentralized, but it is not open write access. It a public permissioned network of private ledgers.

You and I could validate that the network is cryptographicly consistent, but we don’t have decentralized permission to interact.

[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 1 points 22 hours ago

So, not decentralised in it's original sense, if a pack of people decide which operations are allowed. Decentralised as in "not a single bank".

See, this is what I mean when I say they all have flaws.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

There is no central entity, so it is decentralized in the original definition. I gave Canton as the example because it could be immediately substituted for Swift. It's permissioned access by design, because banks don't want to risk their monopoly position.

For speed and cheapest, go for solana.

For reliability go for Ethereum. For reliability, speed and cheapness choose an L2 on Ethereum.

For illegal stuff use monero.

There are trade offs between them, but I wouldn't call them flaws. Blockchain as a technology definitely "works".

[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 0 points 20 hours ago

If you have trillemas all over it IS flawed in one way or another. End users won't get through the complexity of multi-choice where every one has downsides. How do you even drive the adoption if every store would accept only their crypto of choice?

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Ethereum has solved it's trillemas. Fiat has it's own flaws.

User experience is certainly a blocker. The only way round that at the moment is to put a familiar medium between the user and the crypto layer.

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