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[-] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 months ago

The first country to adopt LLMs for everything is the one that will collapse first. This is a race where the winners never start and at best stop before they reach the end.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago
[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

Maybe. Could also be that humans never invent anything that comes close to a biological brain. Either because we simply aren't smart enough, or because civilization regresses before we get there. And there's several trends going on currently which could cause civilization to regress. For example, climate change and declining birth rates (While we could set up an economic system that can deal with a shrinking and aging population, our current one cannot).

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

Fasciam and religion are bigger threats than 'declining birth rate', that one's just billionaire propaganda. Stop repeating it.

[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

So, why are declining birth rates not a problem?

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

Why are they? Fewer people, fewer mouths to feed, more value on labor, more natural resources and real estate for the rest of us.

We cant grow forever. Dropping total population in the most ethical way then keeping things steady seems like the most nonviolent cool way to do this.

Tor fucks sake there's like ten billion people we could keep everything we need going, easily, with half that.

Anf imagibe if we actually valuee people instead of treating them like disposable garbage to throw away in poverty and wars! Wouldn't that be cool?

[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah, but my point was that our current economic system can't deal with, not that we can't deal with it in general. Migrating away from the current system would require the powerful to give up their power, which they won't do willingly, even as the walls are closing in. (In fact, when it comes to global warming, the walls are closing in).

[-] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 0 points 5 months ago

Wait, since when population is shrinking? And since when it's a bad thing too?

[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

It's not shrinking yet, the birth rate is declining, and the world population is projected to start declining 2050.

[-] bss03@infosec.pub 0 points 5 months ago

I don't think it is shrinking globally, yet. But, some countries (e.g. South Korea) are in dire situations due to shrinking and aging population already.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Might be bad now but it leads to a better future. Infinite growth was always impossible, this is just the result of decades of mismanagement.

[-] bss03@infosec.pub 0 points 5 months ago

The future for S. Korea looks bleak, not better.

I agree that infinite growth was always impossible, but in some countries birth rate is well below replacement rate (if they matched, population would be stable, not growing), and in many birth rate + immigration rate is also below replacement rate -- we are failing not at growth, but "mere" stability.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Idgaf about replacement rate. I don't want the old to be replaced. I want the economy to get smaller and for the wealth to be better distributed.

[-] bss03@infosec.pub 1 points 5 months ago

Smaller economy is fine, I guess -- tho deflation has certainly caused problems in the past. Better distributed wealth is a shared goal. Depopulation, and other forms of Degrowth, are largely driven by eugenicist ideas and are neither necessary nor desirable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW8vkUY93i8

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Technically there should be a ratio of young to old to take care of all of the elderly, but IMO fuck'em it wasn't the young's choice to be born and suffer for the sake of the old.

Lower population will make resource allocation easier and improve quality of life, and obviously is necessary to prevent further environmental damage. There will be momentary suffering for a brighter future.

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