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[-] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Cool, now how much power was consumed before even a single prompt was ran in training that model, and how much power is consumed on an ongoing basis adding new data to those AI models even without user prompts. Also how much power was consumed with each query before AI was shoved down our throats, and how many prompts does an average user make per day?

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I did some quick math with metas llama model and the training cost was about a flight to Europe worth of energy, not a lot when you take in the amount of people that use it compared to the flight.

Whatever you're imagining as the impact, it's probably a lot less. AI is much closer to video games then things that are actually a problem for the environment like cars, planes, deep sea fishing, mining, etc. The impact is virtually zero if we had a proper grid based on renewable.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 3 weeks ago

If their energy consumption actually was so small, why are they seeking to use nuclear reactors to power data centres now?

[-] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Because demand for data centers is rising, with AI as just one of many reasons.

But that's not as flashy as telling people it takes the energy of a small country to make a picture of a cat.

Also interesting that we're ignoring something here -- big tech is chasing cheap sources of clean energy. Don't we want cheap, clean energy?

[-] Dojan@pawb.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

Sure we do. Do we want the big tech corporations to hold the reins of that though?

[-] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Volume of requests and power consumption requirements unrelated to requests made, at least I have to assume. Certainly doesn't help that google has forced me to make a request to their ai every time I run a standard search.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

Seriously. I'd be somewhat less concerned about the impact if it was only voluntarily used. Instead, AI is compulsively shoved in every nook and cranny of digital product simply to justify its own existence.

The power requirement for training is ongoing, since mere days after Sam Altman released a very underehelming GPT-5, he begins hyping up the next one.

[-] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That's not small....

100's of Gigawatts is how much energy that is. Fuel is pretty damn energy dense.

A Boeing 777 might burn 45k Kg of fuel, at a density of 47Mj/kg. Which comes out to... 600 Megawatts

Or about 60 houses energy usage for a year in the U.S.


It's an asinine way to measure it to be fair, not only is it incredibly ambiguous, but almost no one has any reference as to how much energy that actually is.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

I'd like to understand what this math was before accepting this as fact.

[-] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

A flight to Europe's worth of energy is a pretty asinine way to measure this. Is it not?

It's also not that small the number, being ~600 Megawatts of energy.

However, training cost is considerably less than prompting cost. Making your argument incredibly biased.

Similarly, the numbers released by Google seem artificially low, perhaps their TPUs are massively more efficient given they are ASICs. But they did not seem to disclose what model they are using for this measurement, It could be their smallest, least capable and most energy efficient model which would be disingenuous.

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