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That's one way to spin humanitarian action.
Humanitarian actions are never against someone will. Using force to achieve your "humanitarian action" is called kidnapping.
What would you call over a million people fleeing their homes, while the government of the land they live on is shelling those very homes and passing legislation to make their very existence impossible? What would you call parents fleeing with their children in a desperate attempt to keep them safe? Would it be acceptable to leave orphans in an orphanage with artillery shells dropping all around and fire fights happening just down the street? Would you be alright with parents deciding to stay in their war torn village just so that they don't cross a border in to what you've determined as enemy territory? What would you call a violent terror campaign over a decade long being waged against millions of people just because of the langauge they speak and the area they come from?
I’d call you a shill. This place needs moderators.
Welcome to Lemmy, where your worldview is challenged and the US government doesn't get to censor every perspective they don't want you to know about.
There seem to be a lot of people who don't know or who do know and don't care how much control western national security personnel had/have over the narrative on the major, centralised social media platforms.
Yep. Give it time, a lot of these communities are still basically brand-new, and moderation tools are in their infancy. Long term, I don't think Russian trolls will find Lemmy all that welcoming for their garbage.
@knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml literally just summarised a UN report on this topic: https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2021-11/aPR32_final_ENG.pdf
The fact that Russia is losing badly and becoming more and more destabilized must worry you.
Why would it worry me? I don't have a horse in this race.
Amazing. Not a single word of that was true.
And yet… a brief internet search will reveal (and I have deliberately found a mixture of sources, most of which are anti-Russian)…
spoiler
Ah, it's "pretend Russia didn't invade Crimea and start messing with shit in 2014" time, eh?
Yeah, no... Sorry, but this shit doesn't work anymore. You guys need to get better material.
What does Crimea have to do with Donbas?
Oh, come on... Russia started annexing Crimea and sending infiltrators into Donbas to prop up separatists at about the same time.
Okay, and does that make it acceptable for Ukraine to shell Ukrainians? That is what the linked sources evidence.
Wait, are you trying to say the Russia-backed Donbas "republic" was illegitimate and those separatists who were killed were actually Ukrainians?
You can't have it both ways. You don't get to proclaim Donbas a separate country and then claim that when those separatists were killed for waging war on Ukraine, they were Ukrainians.
Get your story straight. Either Donbas is part of Ukraine and these guys were basically terrorists trying to destroy the country, or citizens of the "Donbas People's Republic" were killed, not Ukrainians.
Pick one.
You've completely lost me. I have no idea what you're talking about. You may be confusing me with someone else. I've not made any claims about Donbas being a separate country. I don't think it works like that. And I'll have to check the details but I the Minsk agreements may have spoken of autonomous regions rather than separate countries.
The linked UN report(s) detail how so many thousands of people were killed in Eastern Ukraine in the years following 2014. Whether whatever happened afterwards changes or leaves unaffected the legal status of those regions, the fact remains that five digits of people were killed, with many more injured, and seven digits of people were displaced. And completely regardless of what Russian, Ukrainian, or Separatist government officials or actors were doing, the affected people were overwhelmingly innocent civilians just trying to go about their daily lives. Killing them indiscriminately is both (a) an historical fact and (b) wrong.