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I'm all for dead nazis but kidding ourselves that Putin's Russia are doing it is cringe hopium.
He's just like every other ghoul pretending to care about insert relevant oppressed people here to manufacture consent.
I'm all of the regions of Ukraine to be given independence or join with Russia if they feel that's best to protect them and from what I've seen it absolutely is the best call to protect themselves from Ukrainian state orchestrated genocide and bombing etc.
I just don't think that's why Putin is in Ukraine despite his insistence and while it's absolutely to resit
expansion, its imo silly to think he's doing that to benefit any socialist project or protection of his working class. Its to protect his and his benefactors capital at the crux of it.
Capitalism with Putin characteristics lmao
No one thinks Putin does anything out of the goodness of his heart. It is nonetheless beneficial for him to win, both for the people of Donbas and for multipolarity. Beyond that, he will surely give the Azovites a harder time than Zelensky is.
I agree but maybe I'm immature or too must of a lib myself but I struggle with the needless death of any
manufactured conflict because it just feels so fucking wasteful and yeah its probably a bit naive of me but I just wish the peace talks actually happened to stop it.
Like yeah Ukraine and a lot of Eastern Europe has problems with nazism due to post soviet anti communist propaganda and material conditions at the time influencing it as well as spotty histories with nazi collaboration Ukraine more than the rest.
I dunno. To categorise myself in the revolution (lmao) I'd be the girl who'd shoot nazis no issue but I'd be crying about why they couldn't just get over it and be based lefties so that I didn't have to waste them lmao. I'm a coward I guess.
I wish peace talks succeeded too. I don't like the war, I just think one winner is a better outcome than the other, and it's not the one who consistently undermined the peace talks.
There's nothing cowardly about having compassion, the war is a ridiculous waste of human life. I am simply saying that there are ways of rating outcomes beyond the (correctly prioritized) criteria of "is there a war or not?"
Edit: ps it wasn't just a post Soviet issue. Look up Operation Bloodstone
Yeah and tbh I can't see a Ukrainian win doing anything to help anyone but the fascists in charge of both Ukraine and NATO and I hate that that is probably the most sensible take.
Okies I'll have a gander 🫡
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