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[-] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 16 points 2 days ago

it's like they don't even want to win!

[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"They" is pretty fluid.

A lot of people in Washington will be fine if the Ds win, they'll be fine if the Rs win, but they will be out of a job if the people win.

A lot of those people are in the Democratic party, some of the worst of them are in Democratic leadership, some of them are in this article. I don't really think "Let's stop voting for Democrats!" is a solution to any of that, since it will do nothing at all to resolve the corruption that led to things being that way, but yes it is important to realize that Chuck Shumer among other people is completely fine with Democrats losing elections, as long as him and the assholes he hangs out with get to keep divvying up the work output of the country among themselves and not having to work all that hard.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 2 days ago

I don't really think "Let's stop voting for Democrats!" is a solution to any of that

It's not a solution on its own, but an actionable threat of withholding votes will have to be part of any realistic plan to do something about it.

[-] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This right here. I wish I'd thought of saying it like this before; you've made your understanding of your interlocutor's position clear, while also explaining how withholding votes can be powerful and shouldn't be thrown out as an option. Well said!

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

I don’t disagree, but liberals are blaming protest voters for Kamala’s loss to this day (despite the fact she lost by a far wider margin). The establishment can and will weaponize this form of pressure to further fragment the voting base.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

I don't blame the protest voters for Harris's loss; they were a tiny factor maybe, but there was such a galaxy of problems way bigger than any impact they could make. I do feel like pointing out that their strategy is stupid and counterproductive, mostly in response to them running around on Lemmy and claiming real aggressively that it makes perfect sense and is definitely going to help.

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