Poilievre says Carney's moving in the 'wrong direction,' pledges to 'legalize' pipelines (www.cbc.ca)

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For the 'Carney is basically just Poilievre' Crowd, a look at Poilievre's proposed legislation (note: this from about a month ago)

I've seen this take that Carney is just as bad as Poilievre more than a few times. And while Carney may not be as Green as some had hoped for but my goodness, the difference between him and Poilievre is staggering.

Figured it's worth posting the legislation that Poilievre put forward in August which includes removing pipeline regulations, scrapping the West Coast oil-tanker ban; killing the industrial carbon tax; eliminating the electric vehicle mandate and reversing the single-use plastics ban.

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[+] mrdown@lemmy.world -17 points 3 months ago

Defending Carney will only make Poilievre wins the next election

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They're not defending Carney. Just stating the fact that PP is significantly worse. A fact that's being muddled by unfounded criticism of Carney. Some folks who didn't have a strong anti-PP opinion like a family member of ours is asking whether we shoulda voted for PP if Carney is bad, after hearing unqualigird critique of Carney. It's important to criticize Carney for his fuckups but that should always be grounded in the relevant PP context.

As for NDP voters who lent their votes to Carney this round, we don't need unfounded critique to know the NDP is better for us.

Basically it's important to tailor one's message depending on the audience in order to achieve the desired understanding. Most of us here know what's up politically.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Carney already broke his biggest promise of fighting Trump. Many criticism of Carney are very well funded so it's really important to help at least vocally Carney accountable so he don't make us lose to conservative in the next election .

It's important to criticize Carney for his fuckups

But the OP said this

Carney may not be as Green as some had hoped

This is barely a criticism

[-] Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

Explain your logic please

[-] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 months ago

PP is not going to win the leadership review.

[-] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

I think I'd take that bet!

I'm super curious how the base will see it. On the one hand, he did win a much larger percentage of the popular vote than most Conservative leaders have won while making inroads in traditionally Left areas.

But, he also lost one of the largest polling leads in modern Canadian history...

On the other hand, the Liberals won in large part because of voters from the NDP/Greens defected to the Liberals... But then how much of that was to keep Poilievre out versus some other Con?

You could go nuts going back and forth on that.

[-] charles@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago

Not only did he lose the lead, he failed to even get elected and had to be given the literal safest riding for a Conservative in the country to get a seat. Which I feel is not the best sign for someone who's career has entirely revolved around politics.

[-] vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

I literally don't know how it could be seen another way, which is how I know his dumb fuck base will keep him.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago

So how are you going to beat Poilievre?

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Make pressure on Carney to respect his comittements

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You'll put pressure on Carney in order to go after Poilievre? That makes sense. /s

On the off chance you mean that Carney is more likely to win the next election if he does what the left fringe wants him to, no, not really. That's questionable against any candidate, and this particular Conservative leader specialises in stirring up outrage over ambitious policies.

He also made commitments that were pretty mild in the first place, aside from cuts to spending that he probably can't deliver.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Carney is more likely to win the next election if he does what the left fringe wants him to

Carney is more likely to win the next election if he redeem himself and start respecting his engagements toward the people who make him win the last time. He didn't deliver a single thing right now

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

the people who make him win the last time

Voters? I agree, he has to make them happy.

Lemmings? Lol no.

Of course, voters are dumb, don't know the issues very well, go by soundbites to judge who's doing what and just get tired of people eventually. So far he's managed to cultivate a totally different image from his predecessor, neutralise Poilievre's attacks, and keep the economy from totally rupturing anywhere, so I'd say he's doing fine so far.