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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Or to be extra based, distribute accoring to people's socially-necessary labour-time. E.g. pay the 8hr-day person 20% more than the 6hr-day one. Assuming people's productivity is average, which is most often the case.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

E.g. pay the 8hr-day person 20% more than the 6hr-day one.

The problem with that is you're going to have a hard time actually telling whether the 8hr-day people is actually really doing more than the 6hr-day people.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago

You just don't do that. You assume everyone is doing avg productivity for their job. Otherwise you enter the fools errand of performance measurements and evaluation. Assume avg productivity, pay the person who wants to spend 5 days a week proportionally more than the person spending 4 days a week. Or 8hrs vs 6hrs, and so on. Only if you want to allow for some poeple to work more than others. Maybe you don't. Maybe we shouldn't.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

You assume everyone is doing avg productivity for their job.

On average, people only manage about 4hrs of productivity on any given day - no matter whether you are paying them for 6hrs or 8hrs.

You're essentially creating conditions for people who just sit around and pretend to work - while the people who cannot spend 8hrs per day at the workplace (like working mothers, for instance) start getting miffed because they can't access the extra "sitting-around-and-doing-nothing" money.

Otherwise you enter the fools errand of performance measurements and evaluation

You're going to have to measure and evaluate something. In my experience, corporations loves measuring all the wrong things. They can usually barely even define what "performance" means, never mind measure it correctly.

It's not evaluation that's the problem... it's the people deciding what should be evaluated that's almost always the problem.

[-] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

I can see a counter-argument that it would create an incencitive to spend more time where it could be cut down and, also, wiring worker's paychecks to a sometimes arbitrary and flowing value. Like, you don't need to clean the outdoors property every day, it depends on the weather, and there I can see paying a stable wage reserving person's time and paying for it in case I need to call them even if it's sunny and they don't actually need to go. As long as they do their job well, who cares. They or a company can reinvest in better tools making their actual worktime even shorter or more comfortable, like, jumping from a manual gardening tools to an automated lawnmower, while not punishing them for working less. Some kinds of labor doesn't even necessitate being on site, as it was shown by covid, and we see a lot of ideas to cut down on wages due to LLM assistance.

I'm also puzzled about how uneven my work from day to day, and I'd probably prefer to give up on measuring and comparing that at all, defaulting to some lively wage and pulling enough of myself to keep the business afloat. If the idea of a guy over us is in having similar stakes in the business and collectively voting for changes, I see it's possible to set a fair compensation and keep people interested in the end results.

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