First off... I just wanted to again say thank you to everyone who responded to the help post that I recently made. The outpouring of support was genuinely kind of insane and I never expected it. I'm going to make a different post elsewhere on that but like... I cannot thank you enough.
But for the post itself, this is in reference to this post that I made on September 17th about Jordan Lund's behavior as a lead moderator on Lemmy.World. His behavior beyond the realm of questionable and into active hostility and misinformation. A user commented on that post and @'d Ruud, the head admin of Lemmy.World.
Which, you know, totally fair and valid. Who would want that person reflecting the instance? Especially when a term was used about the Canadian government that Jordan wasn't aware of and instead of asking for clarification, or doing a simple google, he just banned Canadians and doubled down repeatedly. But in that same thread, another Admin clarified they had talked to Jordan about this specific thing and told him it was unacceptable.
Yet 3 and a half hours later, Jordan reaffirms his stance and insists that his half-baked understanding of Canadian politics is correct. For the comment and then an immediate explanation of how he is both an idiot and a liar, check here.
This all happened nearly 10 days ago. The head Admin saying that he publicly doesn't want Jordan to be the face of the instance, another Admin saying his behavior is unacceptable. What has happened? From a public perspective? Effectively nothing. The only thing that has changed is Jordan is down two communities under his moderation belt. One of those was a dead community that was never used and the other was the Community Spotlight team.
Now there's a thousand reasons to dislike Jordans behavior but as a Canadian? His stubborn refusal of acceptance that he doesn't know a thing and stubborn refusal to even acknowledge when someone has proven him wrong has pushed me over the edge. As far as I'm concerned, the United States declared war on Canada when it threatened to use economic force to coerce us into becoming a part of that country. So the idea of an American in control of World News who seems to subscribe to this type of American Exceptionalism? Or at least is too narcissistic to admit fault? I can't stomach it.
But for the Admins to publicly say that they've told him his behavior is unacceptable but then refuse to enforce that? Even when Jordan is flaunting it in the exact same thread and ignoring everything the admins said? Either no one ever talked to Jordan to say that it was unacceptable or someone did talk to Jordan but he just doesn't care. Evidently neither do the admins to enforce their own position on the matter. It has been nearly 10 days and if anything is being done then the movement is a breakneck glacial pace.
I can't in good conscience ever give another second of traffic to Lemmy.World. I moved over from Startrek.Website because of a particular person way back when. One admin on the team who was a friend of mine and had encouraged me to join there when I was looking for another instance. He doesn't even have any involvement in LW anymore and neither do pretty much anyone that I originally knew from the team. It isn't the same site that I started on. Maybe I never paid enough attention when signing up to make a better and more informed decision, who knows.
What I do know is I've moved to Dbzer0. Db0 has been offering a spot on the instance for over a year at this point and after careful consideration of a variety of instances... Dbzer0 is also the one that I would probably fit best with. So if there's anyone out there who hates me and had @Stamets@lemmy.world blocked, here's your cue to block this account now too. Because with a new account comes a very small number of posts. That @Stamets@lemmy.world is #44 on the amount of posts made by any Lemmy account.
I've got some catching up to do.
To all my friends on the LW team, I love you and support you. To the admins who had a say in this? I'm just deeply disappointed. I've seen the speed moved on certain things. A week and a half when y'all admitted you were talking about him before I even made that post? Come on.
So is 10 days to remove the moderation permissions just not enough time? I've been a mod on Lemmy on another account, making a mod and removing mods doesn't take anything longer than 2 minutes.
should we just purge all mods of LW communities because someone says so? we don't arbitrarily remove mods without a proper review. it's not the action of removing someone that requires time but the review whether it should be done.
It's been months of issues with one user, by multiple users saying he's been an issue. He's been transphobic. He's been defending genocide. He's been defending banning people for knowing better than he does.
It's not oh one user doesn't like him it's dozens of users over months to over a year with complaints.
If anything else moved this slow we'd call it out too.
Of course not. But you equally shouldn’t frame this situation as some completely arbitrary complaint made by the platonic default user.
There is a clear pattern of abuse, arrogance, and animosity over a substantial span of time. Individuals from the .world admin team have observed and commented on some of these actions on multiple occasions. None of what Stamets collected and organized in his post was new information hitherto unknown by you all.
As you are the one commenting now, I will assume that you speak for the .world admin team as a whole. I appreciate that you collectively wish to make a calculated and informed decision, and I understand the time burden that comes with volunteer efforts. Ultimately, however, instance administration is not a court of law. Moderation is not a livelihood. The only consequences of relieving Jordan of his volunteer burden are community outrage and hurt feelings. He can't sue you to be reinstated or win a judgement for lost wages.
While I applaud your desire to foster the appearance of keeping everything above board and within the boundaries you all have put in place for yourselves, I must also deride what appears to be unintended hypocrisy: It sounds as if you all have decided what needs to happen and are now engaged in finding the narrative that fits the rules and gets you to your predetermined outcome.
Ubi pus, ibi evacua, not ubi pus, regula consule.
Yeah this seems to be an unfortunately common tactic with people like them, they just deflect and act like we're asking them to just go around purging moderators at will because we told them to with no credible reasons.
Lemmy.world deflecting any blame of their users? Unheard of! Next you'll tell me they hate it when .ml does the exact same thing but it's somehow different.
How long does it take? Because people have been asking for this for months.
I objected to his appointment from the beginning
If you can complete the review by the end of the week-end it should be fine.
I don't know why people are so impatient when things are actually moving.
unfortunately it's still not finished, but we have an update here now: https://lemmy.world/post/36621226
At the very least, more transpancy would be good. It looks like they're doing the same thing they've done for months while saying "we're doing something now."
Does not help the same person said "if one person complains why should we remove them?" Which is not the argument being made.
We want Jordan to be removed. They aren't doing it while saying they're working on it.
The comment above is transparent enough for me: https://lemmy.world/comment/19613753
It's okay, I started posting to !world@quokk.au to keep myself busy in the meantime
Again, I'll pay the $5 if in wrong. But the admin team of .world has said they'll do something before and never acted on it.