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And wow, Trump is so much better than Harris would have been for Gaza!
Gaza was a stupid cause to get hung up on, I am not saying it isn't important, it is extremely important, but letting the cheeto win just to spite Harris for not supporting Gaza enough was stupid
Oh, I am with you, friend. Unfortunately, being on the same side as him, just "not as bad", definitely didn't do her campaign any favors. Especially among low information voters, who are really just taking everyone at their word. While Trump was boldly asserting himself as anti-war, Harris was just giving vague, wishy-washy answers, that relied on far too much nuance. American voters don't like to think that hard.
If you truly believe "Gaza was a stupid cause to get hung up on" then what's your justification for her continued support of the genocide occurring there?
You act like people are stupid for making a big deal about it, while failing to give a reason why she felt it was a big enough deal to support even if it meant letting Trump win the presidency yet again.
Palestine has been a bipartisan bad take for the US the whole time. Any single issue is a bad issue to get hung up on. "Lines in the sand" are a fragmentary psy-op to get you to ignore the big picture.
Yes, every big deal is a big deal, but there are hundreds of big deals. Taking a stance on this one didn't make it any better, arguably made it worse, and also let a whole lot of other big deals get bigger.
Single-issue voting is how we got in this mess in the first place. We aren't going to single-issue vote our way out of it.
None, but with her the US would not be destroying itself as quickly, and USAID would still be a functional agency.
I try to be a realist, and looking at Trumps regime, I don't see Harris causing more harm in total.
You make statements like "with her the US would not be destroying itself as quickly" and wonder why she didn't win the election?
You don't see the irony in saying "you must vote for either the slow destruction or the fast destruction of the country because if you don't, you're supporting the destruction of the country." How about people take their partisan blinders off already and see that limiting yourself to these two choices is what's destroying the country.
I don't wonder why she didn't win, the US citizens had two alternatives.
The US citizens picked the lunatic.
Way to quickly back track and deflect from your last comment.
I also find it funny that everyone defending Harris and the DNC for running a train wreck of a campaign and handing the country over to Trump eventually comes around to admitting they don't even live in the US despite their strong opinions and insight into US politics.
When will you bootlickers understand that SHE let him win? Her job was to represent her constituents, instead she decided to represent Israel. She decided to support genocide instead of us ffs.
Bootlicker?
Wow, you don't know anything about me.
I see you. I see the language you use, trying your hardest to avoid the word genocide. Trying your hardest to blame anything but the dems blatant and unpopular support for a foreign warmongering state. You are either a zionist or a useful idiot.
We need to demand better from the "good" political party, not offer them an easy scapegoat. Stop enabling them.
Ok, since we are doing stupid wordplay.
You can quote me on this:
Israel is at this moment perpetuating a genocide in Gaza, this is the truth.
Also if I never made it clear, I am not American, I am a Swede who strongly believes in the social democratic ideology.
That being said, not voting Harris in the last (?) US election was stupid for those who support Gaza (as you should).
Yes voters, propaganda, and online influence campaigns specifically designed to help trump win literally had zero power. That's when Russia helped trump win the first time, everyone knew it totally didn't matter at all /s
The fact is Russia wouldn't have had such an easy time if kamala wasn't loudly saying "Fuck you, fuck your beliefs, I stand with the oligarchy and genocide."
It's a politicians job first and foremost to win elections. Stop blaming voters, all you are doing is enabling the Dems to act like idiots.
Yes the real problem is a tiny handful of assholes and definitely not millions of morons
For the record I'm blaming non voters and online propagandists mainly. You know, what you're trying to create?
The tiny handfuls of assholes were in charge of the platform they ran.
It's also weird to say "the few supporting genocide aren't the bad ones, it's the ones that can't overlook it that are at fault".
If you keep blaming anyone's but the ones on charge, the dems will try to walk the line between us and Israel next election too, and they will lose again.
The election is over, now is when it's the time to be critical of them! Stop giving them an easy pass for the complete shitshow they pulled.
It's our jobs as voters to be informed. Being informed means understanding the impact of your vote. That's an entirely separate issue from putting pressure on politicians to do the right thing. We should be doing that, but not at the expense of destroying society, which is what's happening now.
Essentially, the only time you can put real pressure is when you vote.
i don't think abstaining was necessarily the right move, shortsighted but not immoral.
More importantly, now that it's over, bitching about the voters exercising their right over fucking genocide of all things, instead of the corrupt pieces of shit that actually forced the genocide issue is simply insane imo.
What's funny is all the absolute and complete morons that chant 'you have to vote for genocide, just ignore it next time' are the same that question how the right could vote for a convicted felon and pedo.
The fact is, the party has to change, it's not up to voters to accept genocide. The fault lies enteriely on them for making it a voting issue in the first place.
And if they don't change because half the base is ready to blame someone else, then they will lose again.
You fucking people always think you can vote third party and not fuck the country but that never has panned out
I think not voting third party is stupid. I also think abstaining is as well.
The root cause of the issue is still the Democrats platform last election and the complete alienation of their voters which led to a low turnout.
We wouldn't have Trump currently if they had just told Israel to pound sand. Killing civilians was more important then winning an election apparently. Lucky them, they have a convenient scape goat so they can do it all again in a few years
Trump never supported us. Wtf are you talking about?
Yes? My point is neither did Kamala and that is why she lost.
The bar isn't trump, it's higher then that and the dems fucked up by trying to go as low as they could.