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submitted 6 days ago by tiz@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

With the recent windows 10 EoL news, I was able to move my dad over to Linux mint. But he does a lot of finance stuff. Long ago, Linux had a belief that desktop Linux are not the primary target for crackers but I don’t believe that true anymore since it’s getting significantly popular lately like Europe government migration over to Linux and Libreoffice.

My question would be , given my dad is just as careful on Linux as he has been on windows, would it be fine to do finance like banking and trading (not the fastest kind )?

If not, what would be your distro of choice for that? Even browsers (I installed Firefox and Edge from Microsoft website deb file)

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[-] tux0r@feddit.org -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

And to this date Linux malware and viruses for the desktop are practically unheard of.

This is dangerously false.

edit: I'm sorry to see I have disturbed a few people here, downvoting the truth without a comment. Explains a lot of contemporary politics, I think.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Can I get some list or a reference to educate myself? As far as I know it still holds true. There's rootkits, a lot of old stuff and exploits of webservers or embedded devices, supply chain attacks towards developers and the one day the Mint ISO file got compromised. But I'm completely unaware of desktop computer malware with high risk or actually spreading?! And the list on Wikipedia seems to confirm what i said...

[-] tux0r@feddit.org -3 points 6 days ago

Okay, let's assume for fun that there's highly developed Linux malware that exclusively infects servers and leaves desktops alone. What exactly is a server? Is it a server as soon as a web server service is running? A DNS service? An SMTP service? Some of these are also included with Linux desktops.

But that's not the point. There's no specific "Linux server malware". There's Linux malware. It targets the Linux kernel (current data point), not any web stuff.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

For example it's something that has an Apache webserver installed and that Apache is accessible from outside... So the Apache exploit can do something. Do you have both conditions met on your laptop/desktop computer? I'm pretty sure that won't be the case, and that's the difference here.

[-] tux0r@feddit.org -1 points 6 days ago

Let me repeat my last paragraph, as you seem to have stopped reading after the first question mark:

But that’s not the point. There’s no specific “Linux server malware”. There’s Linux malware.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You're wrong. How would an Apache exploit "hack" your Steam or online banking app? That's just not possible.

Malware uses specific attack vectors and specific vulnerabilities.

[-] tux0r@feddit.org 0 points 6 days ago

Malware uses specific attack vectors and specific vulnerabilities.

The "specific vulnerabilities" are usually in the Linux kernel, quite present on every single Linux system. Please follow the link I posted above. This is not about Apache or any other arbitrary user-facing software.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Thanks for the link. But that's not a vulnerability or malware. It's academic research how to hide malicious syscalls. But it can't infect anyone's computer. And there isn't any vulnerability to let it in.

[-] tux0r@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago

Thanks for the link. But that’s not a vulnerability or malware.

The RingReaper malware is literally a malware, using known vulnerabilities in the Linux kernel...?!

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm sorry. Most I can find about "RingReaper" is that single blog post or people who rephrased it into their own articles. There seems to be zero information on how it spreads through the internet? And if anyone contracted RingReaper. And I can't even discern how that'd get on someone's computer unless they install it themselves (which is a form of malware, though not very pronounced on linux due to the distributions and central package repositories). There are no other methods highlighted in the post. And it can't do privilege escalation either, just scan for other vulnerabilities. So is this a thing in reality and how can I find out? It seems like valid research to me, but I can't see how it's more than that.

[-] tux0r@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago

So is this a thing in reality and how can I find out?

It is one of several things in reality. Linux malware, spreading through the (mostly) same paths as Windows malware does, has been real for quite some time now.

But that in itself doesn’t really threaten my (or OP’s dad’s) computer.

Linux malware threatens Linux computers. It might be important to keep that in mind if you use Linux.

[-] SrMono@feddit.org 5 points 6 days ago

This is dangerously unspecific.

[-] tux0r@feddit.org 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
[-] SrMono@feddit.org 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don't think OP's dad will host a misconfigured cloud service on their computer or set an insecure password, enable ssh and then also open a port in the router. Most attacks on that list are specific to how internet servers are set up. And well, insecure old embedded devices. And we in fact have those systems targeted regularly. My servers gets bombarded with malicious traffic trying to get in.

[-] SrMono@feddit.org 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I guess the problem is not “the truth” but a claim without sources combined with a short communication style for a really complex matter.

Even the link you posted just reports of one malware instead of the current state or perception of the problem. Like a general threat assessment instead of one incident.

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