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I get where the DNC fucked up.
Everyone except the DNC acknowledges where they fucked up.
Its the millions of leftist voters who are in a desperate need of self reflection for how they fucked up by boycotting the election.
Millions of marginalized peoples' loves were at stake with the 2024 election, both domestically and abroad. People who leftists are supposed to care about, advocate for, and pico the best VIABLE option for, which was Kamala.
Boycotting Kamala wasn't "sticking it to the Dems". It was deatroying the future and lives of the millions of marginalized people the boycotting left abandoned to fascism.
Its extremely easy for those in pirivelge, be it financial, racial, sex, gender, etc, to look at Kamala by herself and proclaim she was a shitty candidate. She was, objectively.
But 2024 wasn't about Kamala, it was about millions of people who now have ICE and the military dissapearing them, and canceling elections nation wide in 2026 and on.
We cannot keep pretending everything that's happening was an unknown. We were warning people about P2025 for over a year, but self righteous egomaniacal leftists either didn't listen, didn't believe it, or simply don't actually give a fuck about the marginalized people now being sent to concentration camps.
The DNC needed to do a lot better to challenge Trump and they failed miserably. They propped up a guy who could barely form a coherent sentence. If they really, seriously believed Donald Trump was the existential threat to this country that he totally is, they should have been up front about Biden's mental health in time to hold a real primary.
Kamala Harris didn't lose because she is a woman of color. She lost because (A) she's a terrible candidate who can't answer questions consistently, as also seen when she ran in 2020, and (B) people felt like they were lied to by the Dems so long that they lost faith in the entire political process and didn't show up to vote. To act like Trump lied and the DNC told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is just plain wrong. The truth is, in a democracy, nobody is owed any votes, ever, and you can't just blame the citizens.
Hi, we didn't vote for Kamala because she's a genocidal freak. You're the one who didn't care about genocide. Bye. :)
So you enabled the even more genocidal freak to take power.
Congratulations, dumbass.
You voted for genocide.
Yeah I voted for genocide. However, I voted for less genocide than we got from the right. I didn't have a choice. I normally vote left, and if I took away my vote, that would mean the balance of US votes would shift right by a vote. This means that by not voting, I'd effectively be voting right. Doesn't matter what my intentions were, the outcome was a shift towards the right, which would (and did) result in more genocide than if I had voted left. It's not as bad as flipping my left vote to a right vote, which would effectively shift the balance right by 2 votes, but is still worse than voting for the less of two evils now, and continuing to vote in local elections and other, non-primary elections for much more progressive candidates so that I may someday not have to vote for the lesser of two evils in the future.
I understand that this is just playing the game they want us to play. I do get that. But if enough people were like me and voted for progressive candidates in all elections, even those outside of the primary, there wouldn't be any game to play, the only available candidates on the left would be progressive. Too many people throw away their votes in smaller elections, which makes the primary election feel not worth it, because the candidate doesn't line up with what you believe in. No shit, you didn't vote in smaller elections, so why would someone with your same views end up as a candidate?
Is one hell of a fucking way to start a reply. I applaud your honesty at least, even if you're clueless.
If I'm clueless, by all means educate me.
I say I voted for genocide because if you are eligible to vote in the US, you voted for genocide as well. Yeah, you can tell yourself that abstaining your vote is not voting for genocide, but unfortunately that's just not true. All options in the the last US election were voting for genocide. The one choice you did get was what amount of genocide you were voting for, and the option of least genocide last election was voting left.
You can try to justify your action all you like. "If I don't vote, the Democratic party will have to change if they don't want to lose next time", "I didn't vote, which means I didn't explicitly sign off on genocide", etc. I've heard them all.
The Democratic party will not change, because the people in charge of it largely agree with what the Republicans are doing. The only way to get meaningful change from the Democratic party is to stack the deck of Presidential candidates with politicians that are wanting meaningful change. The way to do this is to vote in people that want meaningful change from the bottom up. And in the meantime, vote in the lesser of two evils to try and minimize the damage as much as possible before that happens.
Inaction is a form of action, and actions are defined by their outcomes. By not voting, the only meaningful outcome of your action was that more genocide is happening than if you voted left. Whatever other result you think is happening isn't.
Read Reform or Revolution. You're clueless but you don't need to stay so.
Okay, I read it. I agree with it all, and yes, perhaps the ability to change the Democratic party from the ground up is a bit fantastical. However, this does not contradict my main point, which is that by not voting, you voted for more genocide than by voting left. Even if you believe that, fundamentally, the only way to achieve change is by revolution, that doesn't contradict my point. Not voting is not a form of revolution. As is laid out by the pamphlet, Revolution needs to come from outside the system, but that doesn't mean you can just wash your hands from the consequences of your actions. Revolution doesn't happen over night. I think everyone should be doing what they can to contribute to a revolution, but not voting does not do that. As people try and organize a revolution outside of the system, they should still use the systems in place to prevent as much tragedy in the meantime as they have power to do so, and by pretending you can ignore the system, you are actively contributing to worse tragedy then by partaking.
You're going to have to make a real argument to defend your stance, calling me stupid and quoting an entire pamphlet isn't really proving what you are trying to argue.
This is such a bizzare dissonance that I don't know how I can help you.
You're happy to admit you voted for genocide, ostensibly read an essay about the contradictions of liberal electoral politics, but still come to the same conclusion that voting for a party in the US is important.
Only one of us voted for genocide. Stop lying to yourself.
You seem to be missing my point entirely, which leads me to believe you haven't thought out your own opinion on this fully. Also, you have yet to give any actual reason that would prove not voting is the best possible action, or that it doesn't directly result in more genocide than voting. If you aren't actually going to say anything in favor of your own argument, I must assume you are arguing in bad faith. Further, it appears your understanding of your reference is flawed.
Nowhere in the paper that you mentioned does it say that voting is pointless, just that it won't lead to meaningful systemic change. Which does suggest that this system does not work long term, and definitely needs to be dismantled. This is something I agrre with. However, in the short term your vote does in fact matter when it comes to the immediate future. By not voting, you directly contributed to genocide. By voting, I would have directly been contributing to genocide. Unfortunately, we are in a country where there are three actions to take, and all lead to genocide whether we want it to or not. I understand that it feels better for you to pretend that ignoring the system means you didn't pick a worse genocide than if you voted, and I understand that it sucks that we are forced into 3 choices that all result in varying levels of genocide. In the short term, immediate future, the best play is to vote for the least genocide. In the long term, it is worth trying to dismantle the system completely from outside the system itself. These are not mutually exclusive.
You're like a shitty little liberal LLM.
Stop writing essays and go organize for the Dems.
Yeah, I kinda figured this was where you were heading. You're either very misguided or a troll. I wanted to give you an opportunity to explain your stance without devolving into name calling or insults, but at every moment you could have explained yourself, you dodged every question. You had me read a paper that I read in good faith in hopes that it would explain your point of view, because for some reason you aren't willing to. However, the paper, while adjacent to the issue, didn't actually condone your decision at all, nor condemn mine. I honestly can't even tell if you yourself know what was written in that paper. It feels like I'm talking to someone who is parroting an opinion, not forming one for themselves.
I get that it's a hard pill to swallow, but from all ways I can find to look at it, your not voting directly supported genocide, worse than if you voted left. I get that you need to tell yourself that you are obstained from that guilt in order to sleep at night, but it doesn't change the impact of your actions.
At this point, considering your inability to engage in a proper discussion, I'm no longer writing for you but others who may want to continue this discussion. I really want to understand the reasons why people didn't vote, as I haven't heard a good explanation for it.
Let's be clear here, I am not a liberal. I didn't like any candidates from either side. I hate both sides of this system and want to see it dismantled. However, I can also see that, because I live in America and am eligible to vote, I have been forced into participating in a broken system, whether I want to or not. I don't happily claim that I voted for genocide as you appear to believe, I'm just not blind to the fact that there is no way to not vote for genocide in this system. Not voting is still an action within the system, as it directly results in a boost in favor of whatever party that opposes the party you would have voted for.
You just wrote a book on why we MUST do sham liberal electoral politics and advocated for voting for genocide. You're a capitalist, you're a liberal, and you're clueless.
Take your annoying trolley problem bullshit and hilariously vapid and vaccuous essays and go fuck yourself, liberal.
Voting for genocide is exactly who you are, and no words you can muster will spill blood on my hands. Only one of us voted to condemn Palestinians: you.
Still hurtling insults and dodging questions. It appears that's all you're capable of. Have you ever had an original thought? Say whatever you need to help you sleep at night mate