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[-] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 2 months ago

There's not a single world where LLMs cure cancer, even if we decided to give the entirety of our energy output and water to a massive server using every GPU ever made to crunch away for months.

[-] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

which fucking sucks, because AI was actually getting good, it could detect tumours, it could figure things fast, it could recognise images as a tool for the visually impaired...

But LLMs are non of those things. all they can do is look like text.

LLMs are an impressive technology, but so far, nearly useless and mostly a nuance.

[-] village604@adultswim.fan 0 points 2 months ago

Multimodal LLMs are definitely a thing, though.

[-] HereIAm@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Not strictly LLMs, but neural nets are really good at protein folding, something that very much directly helps understanding cancer amount other things. I know an answer doesn't magically pop out, but it's important to recognise the use cases where NN actually work well.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

I'm trying to guess what industries might do well if the AI bubble does burst. I imagine there will be huge AI datacenters filled with so-called "GPUs" that can no longer even do graphics. They don't even do floating point calculations anymore, and I've heard their integer matrix calculations are lossy. So, basically useless for almost everything other than AI.

One of the few industries that I think might benefit is pharmaceuticals. I think maybe these GPUs can still do protein folding. If so, the pharma industry might suddenly have access to AI resources at pennies on the dollar.

[-] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

integer calculations are lossy because they're integers. There is nothing extra there. Those GPUs have plenty of uses.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

I don't know too much about it, but from the people that do, these things are ultra specialized and essentially worthless for anything other than AI type work:

anything post-Volta is literally worse than worthless for any workload that isn't lossy low-precision matrix bullshit. H200's can't achieve the claimed 30TF at FP64, which is a less than 5% gain over the H100. FP32 gains are similarly abysmal. The B100 and B200? <30TF FP64.

Contrast with AMD Instinct MI200 @ 22TF FP64, and MI325X at 81.72TF for both FP32 and FP64. But 653.7TF for FP16 lossy matrix. More usable by far, but still BAD numbers. VERY bad.

https://weird.autos/@rootwyrm/115361368946190474

[-] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

AI isn't even the first or the twentieth use case for those operations.

All the "FP" quotes are about floating point precision, which matters more for training and finely detailed models, especially FP64. Integer based matrix math comes up plenty often in optimized cases, which are becoming more and more the norm, especially with China's research on shrinking models while retaining accuracy metrics.

[-] BrioxorMorbide@lemmings.world 1 points 2 months ago

But giving all the resources to LLMs slows/prevents those useful applications of AI.

[-] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

And it's clear we're nowhere near achieving true AI, because those chasing it have made no moves to define the rights of an artificial intelligence.

Which means that either they know they'll never achieve one by following the current path, or that they're evil sociopaths who are comfortable enslaving a sentient being for profit.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

they’re evil sociopaths who are comfortable enslaving a sentient being for profit.

i mean, look what is happening in the united states. that would be completely unsurprising to happen here.

[-] MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

It's DEFINITELY both.

[-] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago

There are tons of AIs besides the chat bots. There are definitely cancer hunter seekers.

[-] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 2 months ago

Good thing I said "LLM" not "AI".

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