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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by pedz@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca

I can't imagine commuting with Via Rail. As someone using Via once in a while, I don't think it's more expensive than it was. If anything sometimes you can get some accepable deals if you reserve a few weeks in advance. But it sure is absolutely overpriced of you are last minute. It's $50 if I want to see my family tomorrow even if there are still seats in the train, but $25 if I plan the visit a week or two in advance.

It's the whole problem with their pricing system. They don't see themselves as a replacement for cars. You can't get a monthly pass for Via. They see themselves as a tourist attraction.

And unlike other rich countries, we don't even have regional trains. It could also help to have more than 5 trains a day. But again, they don't want to be a commuter service.

Sometimes I wish Exo and GO trains would cover Via rail routes in their respective provinces. It would be so much more convenient for everyone. And with Alto eventually coming, will Via ever be improved?

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[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

I'm mostly familiar with trains in Germany and I know a comparison is unfair, but it seems like we're missing an entire part of a coherent transit system.

We have Via trains, that can loosely be compared to Inter-city trains. Long distance between cities and more expensive. We also have commuter trains like GO and Exo that serves a metro area and all the suburbs around. They are cheaper (subsidized), you can get a monthly pass, no seat reservation, and they are more frequent (than Via trains).

But we have nothing akin to regional rail. I'll just quote a definition from Wikipedia:

Regional rail usually provides rail services between towns and cities, rather than purely linking major population hubs in the way inter-city rail does. Regional rail operates outside major cities. Unlike Inter-city, it stops at most or all stations between cities. It provides a service between smaller communities along the line that are often byproducts of ribbon developments, and also connects with long-distance services at interchange stations located at junctions, terminals, or larger towns along the line. Alternative names are "local train" or "stopping train".

I understand the people complaining in the article, but as someone without a car, I also rolled up my eyes and thought 'but what did they expect from Via?' Exo and GO trains are specifically for commuting but they don't reach them. Relying on last minutes tickets from Via for commuting is, IMHO, a bit insane. They are missing a regional train. Right now our society expects them to drive their car (electric!) to Oshawa then use GO, if they want to commute by train.

We are missing regional trains in Québec too. It's equally stupid that someone can go from Montréal to the end of an Exo train line for $10 while the next city with Via would cost triple that, and with less departures. There's also two rail lines between Montréal and Sherbrooke. Both are used for freight, but no passenger trains. I'm still salty about this one because the little town where I grew up, on one of those lines, had passenger trains for more than a century before being cut by Paul Martin in the 90ies.

Beyond the recurring issues that you mentioned with the priorities and the lack of tracks, neither our provinces nor the federal government have any cohesive plan for transit. It's either by city and metro region, or Inter-city with Via or coach. Nothing in between. Even if we give priority to passenger trains, we're stuck with a ginormous car culture that says trains and buses are a waste of taxpayers money. I would really love to see more investment than just in Alto, even if it's still a good thing, but I'm afraid Via is going to stagnate for a while longer.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You mean regional rail like this?

And this?

That's from 1955.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm mostly familiar with trains in Germany

You know our train system is unreliable when DB is an example of how to do it better...

[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

It's just what I've used most outside of Canada. But yeah, not just DB. We're missing a lot of the "train culture" present in Germany and other rich countries, and that is reflected in local and political will.

Like, as much as there is also a thriving car culture in Germany, and the reputation of DB (also somewhat justified), there's actually more than a handful of people that thinks having passenger trains in their towns and cities is a necessity. And there's even actions taken to reopen some lines that were previously closed! YouTube is sometimes suggesting me videos of train route reactivation in Germany, and it's incredible to see the will of the people to have a passenger train back in their villages, and the positive(!) comments.

Meanwhile in Canada any attempt at maintaining current rail service, let alone reviving passenger trains in smaller towns, or even cities, will be met with apathy by most people.

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