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[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.world 191 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There's a difference between being feature-rich and popular and being a monopoly.

Call me when Steam is buying competing stores to shut them down.

Now, in terms of PC gaming monopolies, let me introduce you to "Microsoft".

[-] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 63 points 3 weeks ago

I think there is a distinction to be made between being a monopoly and doing anti-competitive behavior.

Steam hasn't done any anti-competitive behavior that I am aware of, but they do have enough market power to be considered a monopoly. Consider how companies like EA and Activision tried to maintain competing platforms but caved because those platforms were not viable compared to Steam. That's monopoly power.

[-] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 27 points 3 weeks ago

theres basically one anti conpetitive measure they hold primarily, and its the one that states the listing price of a game must be the same on all platforms policy. stops devs from having a lower listing price on other platforms.

other than that its usually other platforms shooting their selves.

[-] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 3 weeks ago

I'm pretty sure that that only applies to steam keys being sold on other sites. If it's being distributed in some other form, it can be cheaper.

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[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

Failing to make a product that doesn't suck shit does not make a monopoly for your competitor.

In fact, Steam is de facto not a monopoly because of the very existence of GOG. EA and Activision tried to break in to this arena but failed to provide a product that actually switched people off of steam, because they failed to provide a comparable experience to steam. GOG did, and they're doing fine.

[-] HailSeitan@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

By this logic Google isn’t a search monopoly because DuckDuckGo exists, despite Google buying default placement in Safari, Firefox, Chrome, etc to make sure no other search provider can compete, with their bribe to Apple alone totaling $20 billion a year to maintain their search dominance. What do you think monopoly power is if not that?

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

Can you describe where Steam has done anything even approaching that, ever?

EA and Activision stores didn't fail because Steam bought them out and bullied them out of the market, they failed because they were trash products. Steam doesn't buy "default placement" in anything. They just have a good product that people want to use over alternatives.

Point out a situation in which Steam has acted anti-competitive and I might agree that you have a point, but I can't think of any situations to call out here.

[-] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago

Whether something is a monopoly or not is independent of anti-competitive practices. It's about market power.

[-] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

If there's a genuinely good product that's popular because it's good. There's no need to step in and give shittier products more share in the market.

The point in breaking up monopolies is to be more fair for consumers. If you want to say they're technically a monopoly because they have a large share of the market then fine. But I don't see that as a bad thing until it starts abusing its power.

[-] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

I agree that Steam is pretty good as it is, and there are certainly more pressing concerns. However, in an ideal world, what Steam does should probably be handled by the public sector because it's a natural monopoly. People like only having to go to one place to find their games, but that place doesn't have to be controlled by a for-profit corporation.

[-] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Videos games aren't like food or housing. If you want to buy a game you can look up all the different sites selling it and buy from which ever one you think is best.

[-] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

If you're a game developer, then the ability to sell games does buy food and housing, and you sell a lot more games on Steam than anywhere else.

[-] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

And if you want to sell on a good platform that platform is going to want to take a cut.

[-] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

yes, it is "is independent of anti-competitive practices", a monopoly is when there is only one company providing a product or service

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[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

but they do have enough market power to be considered a monopoly

Bullshit. Being the most popular platform does not automatically make a monopoly, this is armchair lawyer nonsense.

[-] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago

It's true that I am not a lawyer, so feel free to not take what I say as what the law says. I think that the law certainly should consider Steam to be a monopoly with its level of market power, even if it doesn't currently.

From what I have heard from actual lawyers, monopolies are not currently illegal under US law anyways. They're only illegal when combined with anticompetitive practices. That's my best understanding as a non-lawyer, anyways.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think they were viable but nobody trusts EA and Activision with keeping the game they buy.

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[-] aReallyCrunchyLeaf@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Seriously. Part of the reason they're even so popular is because they aren't actively pursuing profit maxxing/enshittification business practices to corner the market and consolidate market share like every other one of these blood sucking cretins. They really are one of the extremely short list of corporations that ACTUALLY win in the marketplace because their product really is just that good. Running the steam deck with Linux, contributing to the development of Wine/Proton, and telling Microsoft to kick rocks has made me a Gaben fanboy for life. If Steam was the ONLY way you could purchase PC games, I'd honestly be fine with that, as long as Valve remains a private company under the iron fist of Mister Newell.

[-] malkien@lemmings.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Remaining a privately held company is really the only protection from enshittification. Not a guarantee, mind you.

[-] pory@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Gabe Newell is a man with a red button on his desk that, if pressed, will immediately grant him 11 figures to distribute as he pleases. It's labeled "sell Valve to Microsoft/go public". Newell hasn't pressed the button. Newell and his employees are satisfied with "making shitloads of money" and don't need to "make more shitloads than last year, forever".

I can reasonably say that Newell probably won't press that button during his lifetime. Similarly, I'd trust anyone with that button to hold onto it no matter what, because "if it's getting pressed, it should be me pressing it."

Once Newell dies, many bets are off. That's a really, really tempting button to press. There are very few humans likely to not press it.

[-] aReallyCrunchyLeaf@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Well they are certainly the exception, not the rule. I'll take it, but we definitely got cosmically lucky to have steam exist in this timeline the way it does. 99/100 times it's a soulless shit factory that's entirely reflective of the AAA industry as a whole.

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[-] Whitebrow@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Steam does force the sellers on their platform to not give better discounts elsewhere. So basically if you see a game that’s 20% off on steam and it is ATL, you won’t find it 30% off anywhere else.

Not necessarily a monopoly but definitely not allowing competitive pricing.

Now that I think about it, it’s probably why Epic has to go with the “timed exclusive” approach instead of just giving you a bigger discount.

[-] Norodix@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

Not actually true. They only require price parity for steam keys. Basically don't sell steam copies anywhere cheaper than on steam. Any other copy you can sell for whatever price.

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[-] Wfh@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago

Not true. I just checked the first game currently discounted I know on GOG's front page: Ghost Runner. It's at -75% (7.49€) on GOG but full price (29.99€) on Steam.

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[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Isthereanydeals. Frequently see steam keys available for cheaper than it is on Steam.

Recommend using it as a resource before buying games since it tracks prices, so no need to spend more than necessary.

Example is recently released ARC Raiders where you can save a few bucks.

https://isthereanydeal.com/game/arc-raiders/info/

I've often wondered who is paying full price buying from Steam at launch over sometimes buying the same Steam game from another storefront for 10-20% less. Guess its people who think games aren't sold cheaper than on Steam.

[-] regedit@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Words don't matter. Do well and have a platform that most prefer? You're a monopoly. People don't realize that to be a monopoly you must be the only source and actively prevent access to or other sources of the same product. How many of those using the term monopoly regarding Steam have GOG Galaxy, Epic, Battle.net, and etc. installed on their machines, ya think.

Being the best does not a monopoly make!

Edit: Further, and speaking of Epic, I never heard of Steam paying devs to pull their games from other platforms for exclusivity deals.

[-] pewpew@feddit.it 1 points 3 weeks ago

Il Epic had free cloud saves and more social aspects they would be a much more appealing option, especially because they are much friendlier towards indie devs since they demand a much lower service fee. Steam is just the best for consumers right now

[-] Hawke@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Also if they didn’t have an irrational hatred for Linux.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

And all the fixation is on Epic vs Steam, but it has also been Epic vs GOG. Since their exclusive deals were prevented from being released on GOG too. Probably since people would actually be willing to biy from GOG if steam wasn't available with how hated epic is, and would have led to GOG growing as opposed to Epic.

A lot of people requested that DARQ be made available on GOG. I was happy to work with GOG to bring the game to their platform. I wish the Epic Store would allow indie games to be sold there non-exclusively, as they do with larger, still unreleased games (Cyberpunk 2077), so players can enjoy what they want: a choice.

https://medium.com/@unfoldgames/why-i-turned-down-exclusivity-deal-from-the-epic-store-developer-of-darq-7ee834ed0ac7

[-] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

heroic launcher to the rescue!

[-] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They have a functional monopoly on game launchers, but it isn’t illegal to have a monopoly — it’s only illegal to use that monopoly for anti-competitive actions.

A monopoly in law doesn’t mean total (100%) market control; it means having the power to control prices or exclude competition. Courts often refer to this as monopoly power.

A monopoly could exist with as little as 50% of the market, or even lower. Steam has around 70–80%, which is easily enough to be considered a monopoly. However, you could argue that despite their large market share, they can’t truly control the market, since it’s their goodwill and consumer-friendly behavior that earned them that share in the first place — and if they ever tried to abuse it, people might go elsewhere.

Personally, I don’t really believe that. Considering your entire library is tied to their platform, they could pull all kinds of shady tactics if they wanted to. But it’s an argument.

As far as I’m concerned, Steam is the least evil of the major corporations. I can overlook the secret gambling ring and possible dark-money smuggling complicity because they seem to be a net benefit to consumers, and the harm mostly falls on those complicit in the scheme — as well as on China and Russia.

Edit, fixed spelling.

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