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Lemmyshitpost community closed until further notice (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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Hello everyone,

We unfortunately have to close the !lemmyshitpost community for the time being. We have been fighting the CSAM (Child Sexual Assault Material) posts all day but there is nothing we can do because they will just post from another instance since we changed our registration policy.

We keep working on a solution, we have a few things in the works but that won't help us now.

Thank you for your understanding and apologies to our users, moderators and admins of other instances who had to deal with this.

Edit: @Striker@lemmy.world the moderator of the affected community made a post apologizing for what happened. But this could not be stopped even with 10 moderators. And if it wasn't his community it would have been another one. And it is clear this could happen on any instance.

But we will not give up. We are lucky to have a very dedicated team and we can hopefully make an announcement about what's next very soon.

Edit 2: removed that bit about the moderator tools. That came out a bit harsher than how we meant it. It's been a long day and having to deal with this kind of stuff got some of us a bit salty to say the least. Remember we also had to deal with people posting scat not too long ago so this isn't the first time we felt helpless. Anyway, I hope we can announce something more positive soon.

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[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The developers who build lemmy aren’t able to put in CSAM blocking code. That’s not how this works.

They absolutely can, and every forum under the sun has tools and extensions to help with this. Fucking 4chan has code specifically dedicated to deal with CSAM. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Oh no! Users can’t read lemmyshitpost and now the world is ending.

Replace this with !technology@lemmy.world, or !selfhosted@lemmy.world, or !announcements@lemmy.world. "Oh no, users can't read the entire site" yes that is the definition of the end of the site.

You're not seeing that this isn't a lemmyshitpost issue, it's an "any popular community on lemmy" issue. Snarkily taking potshots at lemmyshitpost as a community doesn't change it.

Turning off the community is a viable option

It's not "not an option", it's the last resort. It's like saying that your only option to seeing a roach in your apartment is to burn the whole building down. Because doing it means you don't have a community anymore, and without communities the site has no purpose.

[+] dipshit@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago

They absolutely can, and every forum under the sun has tools and extensions to help with this. Fucking 4chan has code specifically dedicated to deal with CSAM. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Cool, name them and give me links then. I could not find such on the internet. There is software that tries to detect this, but even youtube’s algorithm is incorrectly flagging fully clothed 30 year old women as children.

Links or you’re talking out your ass.

Replace this with !technology@lemmy.world, or !selfhosted@lemmy.world, or !announcements@lemmy.world. "Oh no, users can't read the entire site" yes that is the definition of the end of the site.

Replace a site with CSAM and you’ll find it’s not a site you’ll want to go to in the first place. READ the original post where it was mentioned this is a stop-gap measure.

You're not seeing that this isn't a lemmyshitpost issue, it's an "any popular community on lemmy" issue. Snarkily taking potshots at lemmyshitpost as a community doesn't change it.

You’re.. offended that I had snark on the topic of lemmySHITPOST? surely, you are joking.

My point is not that this community is shit and that’s why this happened.

My point is that this is a community on a lemmy instance that was flooded with CSAM, and was shutdown because of the flood of CSAM.

It's not "not an option", it's the last resort. It's like saying that your only option to seeing a roach in your apartment is to burn the whole building down. Because doing it means you don't have a community anymore, and without communities the site has no purpose.

You do see how turning a community off and then on again isn’t the same thing as burning down a house (and unburning it again?)

You do realize that we’re talking about a literal crime against children vs your ability to see memes? Fuck off with your self-importance.

[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Replace a site with CSAM and you’ll find it’s not a site you’ll want to go to in the first place.

Are you being intentionally dense or do you not understand that it's my point? If someone can flood lemmy with CSAM so easily that the only way to stop it is a site shutdown, then there are not sufficient mitigation measures in place.

[+] dipshit@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago

Are you being intentionally dense or do you not understand that it's my point? If someone can flood lemmy with CSAM so easily that the only way to stop it is a site shutdown, then there are not sufficient mitigation measures in place.

Yes, this is the Internet. Take your statement and replace “lemmy” with “reddit” “facebook” “9gag” “imgur” etc.. No site has “sufficient mitigation measures in place” as CSAM continues to flood the internet.

“Flooding” a site with CSAM is a matter of opinion. If one person posted one image of CSAM on my instance, that would be flooding - that’s one image too many. It’s not like there’s some magic threshold of the amount of CSAM allowed on a site. All sites use human moderators to detect CSAM and all sties who do this have teams that are far too small and far too underpaid for the most part.

Underpaid being the keyword here, as lemmy admins are volunteers. I would think that the threshold for “flooding” a lemmy instance with CSAM would be far lower than that of a major for-profit site.

[-] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, this is the Internet. Take your statement and replace “lemmy” with “reddit” “facebook” “9gag” “imgur” etc… No site has “sufficient mitigation measures in place” as CSAM continues to flood the internet.

it's true, if I remember correctly, tumblr was removed from the App Store because of CSA issues. I could be remembering wrong and maybe it was the Google Play Store.

[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

This is likely going to be an issue for any site that hosts nsfw content. It’s easier to have mods just ban all NSFW content without trying to go into trying to figure out if the people in the content are consenting adults.

If the admins of nsfw instances aren’t already on high alert, they should be now.

[-] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago

It’s easier to have mods just ban all NSFW content without trying to go into trying to figure out if the people in the content are consenting adults.

Yeah, I fully agree with that. If people want porn, they should go to porn sites.

[-] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

Cool, name them and give me links then. I could not find such on the internet. There is software that tries to detect this, but even youtube’s algorithm is incorrectly flagging fully clothed 30 year old women as children.

have you ever talked to janitors and mods on 4chan? Good luck getting any info out of them.

[-] dipshit@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Do you realize that 4chan isn’t the full internet? That these programs that you already know of can exist outside of 4chan? I’m asking you - the person who knows of these apps - to provide links to back up your claims.

[-] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago

I'm not the other person you responded to and I never claimed to have an apps or links.

I'm just telling you how this works on 4chan. I'm aware that's not the entire internet obviously - your sarcasm needs work considering we are both here on Lemmy, ie, not 4chan.

If anyone on there is using these programs/apps/whatever, they're not just gonna tell other people about them.

And as far as I know, I haven't been on 4chan in like 3 years not but they region ban for CSAM.

[-] dipshit@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I don’t really keep track of who I’m responding to. I just respond to comments. Sorry if I got mixed up here.

My comments still stand, though the snark isn’t directed towards you specifically.

I just want people to understand that there isn’t a solution that we all think exists in other places and not here. The solution is largely people. People who get PTSD from viewing and moderating these images. It’s not a good solution but it’s the best solution we have so far.

The other truth of the matter is if the Internet itself were to hypothetically shut down, this content will just be distributed via other means. The one nice thing about the internet is that lots of stuff is tracable back to the person who posted the infringing material.

[-] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago

I just want people to understand that there isn’t a solution that we all think exists in other places and not here

I agree with you on this. I agree with a lot of things you're saying.

part of responding means you know who you are talking to. I know it can be easy to forget someone is behind the screen here but there are in fact other human beings responding to you.

Just try to be more considerate, if anything.