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I know better than to get in any prolong discussion on Lemmy about Karl Marx but it's worth saying that he would've probably been a lot more delighted with Chinese communism (educated peasant uprising) than Russian (unguided peasant revolt taken over by urban intellectual minority), although neither really fit in with his deterministic view of history which said that nations needed a period of liberal capitalism before Communism could be achieved, and he obviously predicted Western Europe would be the nexus for this change.
In China they aren't in bread lines and a lot of people there seem to have a stable life. A few Chinese people I know do genuinely say that life did get better than what it was under the communist party. Keep in mind, this country was still getting peasant girls into harems for the emperor who couldn't leave his palace ever during victorian times
I blame the Japanese Imperialists for this.
CCP was about to lose, but of course, fucking imperialists ruining China as per tradition.
Imagine that worldline where the invasion never happened.
ROC wins, warlord period ends and country stablizes. Then eventually they start to liberalize. ROC built nukes, maintains sovereignty, becomes a bastion of freedom.
Modern China is definitely better, but CCP's China wasn't the only possibility we have, there are much better alt-timelines.
(Disclaimer: I have nothing against the Japanese people, I'm only mad at the Imperialists specifically)
As for Breadlines... I mean... glances at parents
I don't know if there are breadlines, but definitely a lot of poverty... very underdeveloped. My parents have extremely frugal behaviors... especially my mom.
In the villages, the only bathrooms are the communal ones...
I have a memory of it being late at night and walking to the bathroom with my dad...
Like, you literally have to leave your own house to go to the bathroom lol.
No big roads leading to the village, I remember there being a tiny path and we rode cheap motocycles to... I guess the market areas? That's where you can even get a bus to Guangzhou.
We don't have time machines so we can't really speculate...
But I don't think ROC would be wasting crutial time on some "cultural revolution" stuff and actually starting on building the country. But then again, if Japanese Imperialists didn't invade, it would've been a much better timeline anyways. War ruins shit.
The ROC didn't become a democracy until the 1990s.
Yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. However, you can say this about any country. I think the UK would have had a better future if we got "chaos with Ed Milliband"
You're allowed to, it's fine. You shouldn't need to disclaimer this.
The Chinese still do that, the ones that came into wealth are still alive. I think that's the same with any recently developed country. The house I stayed in China was very cluttered but also very clean. Furniture was kind of haphazard and the bathroom was basic. But their tvs and fridges were pretty modern. I think it's just they don't know the potential, but this family certainly could have afforded it.
What year was this? Genuinely curious. I saw some underdeveloped villages there from the windows of trains and manual farm labourers. My dad also used to have a communal neighbourhood bathroom in the UK when he was younger in the 1970s. Someone else I was talking to was recalling collecting water from the well.
Yeah fair, I think if you put China how it is now, ten years ago (accounting for the cultural revolution) it wouldn't have set it back. Also the one child policy will have extremely concerning implications in a few years
China is such a strange country. The streets are extremely clean minus the dust, the place I was staying had an advanced metro system nearby and endless huge apartments in the area, something I had never seen or experienced ever before. But the water wasn't running like 30% of the time and even when it was, it was best not to drink it and get it from a machine outside. You're Chinese so I cannot speak in a position over you, but I do find a lot of westerners seem to underestimate it. And they think we're behind because there is one bus every thirty minutes to the somewhat big city which is half the side of the centre of their district.