I know better than to get in any prolong discussion on Lemmy about Karl Marx but it's worth saying that he would've probably been a lot more delighted with Chinese communism (educated peasant uprising) than Russian (unguided peasant revolt taken over by urban intellectual minority), although neither really fit in with his deterministic view of history which said that nations needed a period of liberal capitalism before Communism could be achieved, and he obviously predicted Western Europe would be the nexus for this change.

If he spawned in during the cold war he would probably denounce them. The bourgeoisie wasn't removed, just replaced and the proletariat kept in chains. At least in the Soviet Union 🤷

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He would almost certainly support them based on his support for the deeply flawed paris commune. The communist experiments of the cold war were absolutely not perfect and I am certain Marx would have opinions about their exact natures but it is doubtless he would support them. If he could put up with proudhonist he can put up with anything.

It's important to understand that 20th century communist states weren't just "communist" (there's no such ideology as communism); they were Marxist-Leninist, which despite the name is a rebranding of Bolshevism by Stalin. "Socialist" and "communist" are incredibly broad terms, and the idea that communist = implementing Marx's ideas. Now Marx's opinion would likely vary depending on time and place, but at least he'd probably condemn Stalin's USSR as an authoritarian hellhole. Beyond that I have no idea, but many Marxists who were contemporary to the things you describe condemned them and many others supported them, so we can't make a realistic guess without projecting our own values on him. Basically what you're asking is analogous to "what would Adam Smith think about the current state of the US;" it's something we can speculate about but generally isn't as salient a point as seem to you think it is.

PS: I suspect you don't know much about Marx's ideas, so you should start from there. First, the dictatorship of the proletariat isn't necessarily an actual dictatorship (that's not how the term is used by Marx).

Doesn't basically every political philosopher hate the governments built off their philosophies?

Judging by his behavior during the First International, I reckon he would have approved of Lenin's vanguard and applauded the rise of the Stalinist empire.

I don't think Marx would be as revered by the "communists" (emphasis on the quotation marks) as much as current timeline had he lived longer.

It's easy to idolize dead people, after all, they can't denounce your movement from the grave.

I mean, you can see this with both PRC and ROC reveres 孫中山 (Sun Yat-sen) as the 國父 founder of the country, but... imagine if he lived longer...

Maybe there wouldn't be a civil war? Maybe CCP still wins and then Sun Yat-sen is not idolized within PRC in this new timeline... who knows?

We don't really have a magical brain-scan of them to recreate a simulation of their brains, so its really just speculation.

But I don't think Marx and Stalin would be on the same side. Perhaps there might not been a dictator Stalin, if Marx was alive. What's for certain is that there would be a huge butterfly effect.

I think if he were honest with himself he would see that what he got wasn't what he had envisioned in any of the countries that claimed to be communist/socialist. But they were his team so he would publicly support them. You can sell his stance as an evolvement of the theory rather than admitting mistakes. Not too dissimilar from the way the PRC sells its version of communism to its people: communism "with Chinese characteristics."

Chances are though that he would have perished in one of the purges happening in whichever communist country he would have chosen to reside in. He would have enough clout to niggle at leadership openly about stuff going wrong and eventually be would deliver the straw that broke his camel's back. He would be mind-holed and his legacy rectified so he wouldn't be the lighthouse of the movement that he could only become because he died early. And he didn't starve millions. And communism would become the thing created by the people through an arduous march and not a system dreamed up by some German philosophers.

Of course he would disapprove. And, hopefully, learn something about human psychology, its relationship with power, and why single-party governments are a super bad idea.

He would probably react by finding a relative of one of his long-dead rich friends or family, and try to convince them to fund his next treatise on the stage that happens after communism (aka, buy him more beer)

wait you guys like communism/socialism i thought you only like social democracy?