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China has brought millions out of poverty. The US has not – by choice
(www.theguardian.com)
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China recently lowered the earning amount for poverty to just below what most Chinese people make, thereby "reducing" poverty.
You want to cite what you're talking about here?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202509/1343992.shtml
According to the latest announcement from the State Council Information Office, as of 2024, the average life expectancy in China has risen to 79 years. That's not an abstract figure - it represents the standard of living and the health of ordinary people across the country.
Now, let's rewind 20 years. In 2005, the average life expectancy in China was about 72.1 years, while it was 77.6 in the US. That's a difference of more than five years.
At that time, China was rapidly moving from being an agrarian society to an industrial powerhouse, but the healthcare system was still playing catch-up. Many older adults in rural areas had to walk several miles to see a doctor, and even hospitals in big cities could be cramped and under-equipped.
Fast forward two decades, and China's life expectancy has surged by almost seven years, from 72.3 to 79.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56194622
I guess that was 4 years ago, but I remember it as more recently.
I don't live in the USA. I consider the USA a 3rd world country cosplaying as a 1st world one. Healthcare in the USA is one of the most broken and predatory in the world. So it's not a meaningful comparison IMO.
Ah yes, the time China invested enormous sums in it's infrastructure to improve the economy and quality of life of it's poorest residents.
I guess if your devalue that investment, you can claim China cheated
I never said China didn't invest into their national programs. I said their definitions of "poverty" are in question.
Just to clarify something. People tend to confuse the terms of "absolute poverty" and "poverty".
The claim of "completely eliminating absolute poverty" (which is a claim the CCP makes) is almost true. Supposedly the number of people in absolute poverty in China is now 0.7%.
However, this is often reported as China "eliminating all poverty", which isn't true. The World Bank puts people still living in poverty in China at 13% (exact numbers are hard because of the CCPs information control), which is higher than what China self claims. Because China doesn't use the World Bank's definition for poverty.
I've been to China and have family from there. Don't try to make this about some nationalistic nonsense. It would be amazing if people in China had as much access to the things in life everyone deserves, but the CCP isn't exactly known for being honest.
I've also been to China and I also have family from there.
Taking the train from Nanjing to Wuhan is a fundamentally different experience than driving from Houston to Denver. If you simply refuse to acknowledge the scope of public works and economic development, then dismiss these radical changes by citing the exchange rate between the USD and the Yuan as proof extreme poverty still exists, you're lying to yourself and to everyone around you.