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Both sides are the same
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this post was submitted on 04 Dec 2025
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I mean to be fair... groups that consider themselves far left also exterminate groups.
The trick is to not go too far. You wanna end up at Scandinavian liberal socialism, but not overshoot it to let's create a famine for kicks and kill all people wearing glasses.
Is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that statement.
[Citation needed]
Yeah, you wouldn't want society to become TOO egalitarian and fair! 🙄
Speaking as an actual Scandinavian leftie: nope. Not good enough.
Social Democratic liberalism (which is what it actually is. Socialism is a very different thing) is still capitalist and thus exploitative at its core.
It's better than most, but it's far from the utopian ideal that people from the American Left tend to think it is.
You're thinking along the wrong axis there. There's a HUGE difference between ultra authoritarian leftism like that of the USSR and Pol Pot's Cambodia, and libertarian (original meaning, not bastardized American definition) leftism.
Yeah, fucking red fascists and their completely free healthcare and education, guaranteed housing, guaranteed employment and guarantee of retirement pensions at 60 years old (55 for women). Fucking red fascists supporting anticolonial movements all over Latin America, Africa and Asia, allowing Vietnam to decide a future for itself instead of being forced into submission by American bombing. Fucking red fascists saving Europe from Nazism and saving tens of millions of lives from extermination and genocide. Fucking red fascists with their self-sufficient economic system that doesn't rely on the exploitation of the global south. Fucking red fascists respecting the cultural diversity of the peoples (look up the evolution of number of speakers of Occitan Language since 1900 to see what's real cultural erasure happening in real time)
You are literally free to do so. Take a flight to China tomorrow, and visit Kashgar in the Xinjiang province, or visit the Tibet region. You'll find that people are living normal plentiful lives and support the Chinese government in their majority. China is, as a matter of fact, the country in the world with highest government satisfaction rates consistently
That info comes from western organizations like the University of California or the Pew Research Institute, BTW, not from any "evil CCP propaganda".
The fact that you believe Uyghur or Tibetan people are unhappy with their government is because you've fallen for propaganda yourself. Western-manufactured organizations like the East Turkestan Liberation Organization (based in Türkiye, NATO nation) or the Tibetan Government in Exile (based off India) create propaganda implying that people in said regions aren't happy with the government and want independence, but if you look inside China and ask the actual population, you'll find that's a very minority position. Certainly nothing in Tibet like the literal police violence against pro-independence protestors causing 800 wounded in Catalonia in my homeland of Spain because their right to self determination is violated abusing the Spanish constitution.
Ohhhh, I get it, you're a Zionist! Should have started from there, I would have wasted a lot less time if I knew I was dealing with a genocidal maniac, gotcha. Bye
(Speaking only for myself)
https://youtu.be/kmYdpHtOv_E
This video very well explains some issues with China from a pretty well trusted source (Mehdi Hasan). From their own representatives mouth. Dismissing the fact of Chinese residents not having freedom of speech seems to be a major oversight of your suppositions about their feelings on their government.
(Speaking as a mod)
This comment has been reported for misinformation. I don't think you're citing misinfo sources, but rather glossing over animosity and lived experiences from people such as these audience participants with missing family members that seem comically evil to gaslight in the way that China officially and undeniably has. So not misinformation, but I certainly understand why it was when the intention to miss crucial points is so apparent. It'll remain up with this note in place.
POV Lemmy user learns that people can do both bad and good things at the same time
Yeah, communism may have provided all the astonishing advances in human rights to hundreds of millions of people, saved hundreds of millions of lives from poverty and serfdom, and introduced doubling and tripling of life expectancy where it arrived despite having to contend against the western capitalist empire. But did you know they had prisons during the WW2 times when 25 million soviets were murdered by Nazis?
POV Lemmy user doesn't learn anything
Close your ears if you want, I made my point and you're just shouting "lalala I didnt listen".
You didn't make a point. All you did was provide a list of good things and then point at it. I could make a list of all the good things accomplished by the United States or the UK, but that doesn't suddenly invalidate the bad.
I could make you a list of bad actions committed by the governments you view favorably. Then you would simply either engage in "whataboutism" and then complain about how another nation has done bad things. Or you would simply ignore those bad actions and provide a list of more good things.
At best it's an incredibly simplistic and inaccurate way to view the world, at worst it's intellectually dishonest.
Or better yet, it's just fine having a plethora of different views on different individual topics and not subscribing to any particular ideology.
Everything is an ideology my guy. Even apathy/indifference
Sure, if you put stock in classifying yourself. Eventually people get overly consumed arguing ideologies and the right way to be that the individual topic of debate is lost, and the conversation turns into a popularity contest. It's arguably the core issue the US is dealing with at the moment.