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Meat Uses 10x More Soy Than Vegan Foods — So Who’s Really Destroying the Rainforest?
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this post was submitted on 16 Dec 2025
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The central point I'm arguing about is whats the best way to reduce climate change and its effects and if controlling peoples consumption is the best course of action. You're the one that brought in things I wasn't even talking about. So please stop being passive aggressive.
And yes honey its imperative we reduce all cruelty we can around us I would extend that to also elected representatives too wouldn't you agree, and holding them accountable. Does that answer your question?
Also, to what extent do you work to ensure you're not being cruel to people around? Are you recycling? Are you reusing, are you repairing? Are you pushing for better worker rights in the factories that make your phones? Are you buying more expensive tech that don't don't exploit people? (How's your FairPhone?). Are you pushing for the ending of the exploitation of the global south? Are you pushing for justice for all or just animals? Where is your moral obligation for that?
I answered yours now you answer mine. And please cut the passive aggressiveness if not please don't bother answering me, cause if you can't the best thing you can do to promote veganism is not talking.
So many defensive! And yet, you DIDN'T say the thing. You didn't, you just SAID you said it. That's not the same.
It's not imperative that you reduce the number of humans you steal from, but rather that you do not steal to begin with. So it is the same with rape, with murder, etc. If you cannot agree here in this vegan community that there is a moral imperative not merely to reduce but to entirely avoid unnecessary cruelty and violence against all vulnerable individuals, then you have no business here to begin with. Read the rules.