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Hamas has called on Israel to allow an impartial international investigation into its attack on 7 October 2023 and has rejected that it killed civilians or committed atrocities.

“The resistance did not target any hospital, school, or house of worship; it did not kill a single journalist or any member of ambulance crews. We challenge [Israel] to prove otherwise,” it said.

In the new document, Hamas said that “Western media and Zionist lobby groups” had launched a disinformation campaign about the events of the attack.

“The Israeli entity promoted a series of lies and fallacies about killing children and raping women, paving the way to proceed with an all-out genocide project that was pre-planned and aimed to erase Gaza from existence,” it said.

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[-] Naich@lemmings.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

They did kidnap a bunch of people and kill a load more, so they can fuck off.

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

My conspiracy is that it was really Israeli who attacked on that day and blamed it on Hamas. Because Israeli sure has used that day to commit genocide.

[-] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 weeks ago

Oh its bad to resist colonial occupation sorry I forget my high horse back home.

[-] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago

Then kill their fucking soldiers, their politicians, their hypercapitalists, profiteering. Killing, torturing, maiming, raping and kidnapping civilians is not resistance. Fuck those fuckers.

[-] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-deliberately-at-unarmed-gazans-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid/00000197-ad8e-de01-a39f-ffbe33780000

How do you say SHUT THE FUCK UP and…please cite more sources for your bullshit at the same time? I’m conversational in about 5 languages and still haven’t figured out Zionist apology

Edited with a different link of IDF murder

[-] phar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

The article you posted isn't related to what he said. Can you explain what you disagree with? Just trying to understand the conversation, not siding one way or another.

[-] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

It's probably not a real commenter.

You'll find a trend on any controversial topic of posters who just post the first link they find and I think the assumption is that people won't read it. They're relying on people who agree in general to just go along with the upvote train, it usually works out for them.

[-] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

This is wild. But I can see how that works. Thx for the info. Inwas wondering, what they were about with that link.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 weeks ago

The article showcases the hypocrisy in demanding the oppressed people to behave more human than the barbaric oppressor is actually behaving towards them. Argueing that this user might not be a real account, just because you (or the other user, whatever) are unable to comprehend the critique is lazy and dishonest.

[-] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

No. Who does the evil things, I talked about above, is an evil piece of shit and does not earn any support or approval. Doesn't matter, what fucking reasons or ideology they have. To act like this never has lead to anything and it was never a strategy to win anything. Those deeds are just pure hate and are absolutely condemnable.

[-] Naich@lemmings.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

"Resisting" by kidnapping and killing civilians. I mean it worked out great didn't it? It certainly got the occupying forces out of their country, didn't it? Great plan. Fucking geniuses.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago

Poor IDF soldiers on their IDF bases on Palestinian land.

[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Why do people find it so hard to realise thst both parties have done, are doing and will continue to do dispicable things?

The only reason why Israel's body count is higher, is because it is more powerfull.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hamas targets military bases. Israel targets schools.

[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Hamas also blindly shoots rockets at cities. Why is that so difficult to recognize? Its as obvious as Israeli using terror bombing.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hamas shoots rockets at military targets only. Too bad Israel uses human shields and puts their military bases in cities.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The body count is higher because they started the war and made Gaza into an open air prison. Nakba is a thing.

[-] Naich@lemmings.world -3 points 2 weeks ago
[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not kidnapped by Hamas but other groups in the chaos. And killed by Israel. Also why was there a baby on a military base?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Oz

Nir Oz was founded on 1 October 1955 as one of the first Nahal settlements. It was established as a military outpost to guard the area between Nirim and Nir Yitzhak from Palestinian incursions.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes cleary Israel has never done that or attack civilians and destroy their homes. Nope never, not once.

[-] kn33@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

That's just whataboutism, though

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes and no. If it is framed as "Israel did it as well", then yes it's a whataboutism. But if it is framed in history, where Israel is the occupiers with overwhelming resources and has turned Gaza into an open air prison, then no, it's not a whataboutism but illustrating a larger pattern of violence.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

No that happened before Oct 7th and is in large part the cause of Oct 7th.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago

A justification cannot be won from a fault. If I steal your wallet then I cannot claim self defense when you take it back with force.

[-] Vupware@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 weeks ago

Violence begets violence. If someone shot at me I’d shoot back, wouldn’t you?

[-] kn33@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

It doesn't work as well at a national scale. If you shoot my sister, that doesn't mean I should shoot your sister.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So then Israel killing 30k civilians for revenge is what exactly aside from a war crime?

[-] kn33@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

It also is. It's possible for two groups at war with each other to both commit war crimes against each other.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

You're aware the official policy of Israel is they take a man we take a family correct?

[-] kn33@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

That doesn't contradict what I said.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

It does. You're equivocating when they aren't at all the same thing.

[-] kn33@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah scale isn't important, you're right.

[-] kn33@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Actions speak to intent. Scale only speaks to ability.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Ah so industrialized murder and murder are equally bad then huh?

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