They did kidnap a bunch of people and kill a load more, so they can fuck off.
My conspiracy is that it was really Israeli who attacked on that day and blamed it on Hamas. Because Israeli sure has used that day to commit genocide.
Oh its bad to resist colonial occupation sorry I forget my high horse back home.
Then kill their fucking soldiers, their politicians, their hypercapitalists, profiteering. Killing, torturing, maiming, raping and kidnapping civilians is not resistance. Fuck those fuckers.
How do you say SHUT THE FUCK UP and…please cite more sources for your bullshit at the same time? I’m conversational in about 5 languages and still haven’t figured out Zionist apology
Edited with a different link of IDF murder
The article you posted isn't related to what he said. Can you explain what you disagree with? Just trying to understand the conversation, not siding one way or another.
It's probably not a real commenter.
You'll find a trend on any controversial topic of posters who just post the first link they find and I think the assumption is that people won't read it. They're relying on people who agree in general to just go along with the upvote train, it usually works out for them.
This is wild. But I can see how that works. Thx for the info. Inwas wondering, what they were about with that link.
The article showcases the hypocrisy in demanding the oppressed people to behave more human than the barbaric oppressor is actually behaving towards them. Argueing that this user might not be a real account, just because you (or the other user, whatever) are unable to comprehend the critique is lazy and dishonest.
No. Who does the evil things, I talked about above, is an evil piece of shit and does not earn any support or approval. Doesn't matter, what fucking reasons or ideology they have. To act like this never has lead to anything and it was never a strategy to win anything. Those deeds are just pure hate and are absolutely condemnable.
"Resisting" by kidnapping and killing civilians. I mean it worked out great didn't it? It certainly got the occupying forces out of their country, didn't it? Great plan. Fucking geniuses.
Poor IDF soldiers on their IDF bases on Palestinian land.
Why do people find it so hard to realise thst both parties have done, are doing and will continue to do dispicable things?
The only reason why Israel's body count is higher, is because it is more powerfull.
Hamas targets military bases. Israel targets schools.
Hamas also blindly shoots rockets at cities. Why is that so difficult to recognize? Its as obvious as Israeli using terror bombing.
Hamas shoots rockets at military targets only. Too bad Israel uses human shields and puts their military bases in cities.
The body count is higher because they started the war and made Gaza into an open air prison. Nakba is a thing.
Oh yes, those 9 month old soldiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_and_killing_of_the_Bibas_family
Not kidnapped by Hamas but other groups in the chaos. And killed by Israel. Also why was there a baby on a military base?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Oz
Nir Oz was founded on 1 October 1955 as one of the first Nahal settlements. It was established as a military outpost to guard the area between Nirim and Nir Yitzhak from Palestinian incursions.
Yes cleary Israel has never done that or attack civilians and destroy their homes. Nope never, not once.
That's just whataboutism, though
Yes and no. If it is framed as "Israel did it as well", then yes it's a whataboutism. But if it is framed in history, where Israel is the occupiers with overwhelming resources and has turned Gaza into an open air prison, then no, it's not a whataboutism but illustrating a larger pattern of violence.
No that happened before Oct 7th and is in large part the cause of Oct 7th.
Violence begets violence. If someone shot at me I’d shoot back, wouldn’t you?
It doesn't work as well at a national scale. If you shoot my sister, that doesn't mean I should shoot your sister.
So then Israel killing 30k civilians for revenge is what exactly aside from a war crime?
It also is. It's possible for two groups at war with each other to both commit war crimes against each other.
You're aware the official policy of Israel is they take a man we take a family correct?
That doesn't contradict what I said.
It does. You're equivocating when they aren't at all the same thing.
The only difference is scale
Yeah scale isn't important, you're right.
Actions speak to intent. Scale only speaks to ability.
Ah so industrialized murder and murder are equally bad then huh?
A justification cannot be won from a fault. If I steal your wallet then I cannot claim self defense when you take it back with force.
It’s ironic that I find Hamas more believable than Israel. many people no longer trust the Israeli government
Which of the known genocidal liars do you believe? A) Israel B) Hamas C) none of the above
Hamas aren't genocidal.
Armed Opposition to colonialism is enshrined in international law.
If they were not intentionally targeting civilians in their military operations, you would be correct. Same as Israel, they say they dont do it, but they do.
That‘s called terror then, not being genocidal. Wanting to erase a whole people, by bombing all infrastructure, housing, hospitals, killing journalists and paramedics, sniping little children, poisening, blocking aid, blocking access to water, to food, erasing the culture of a people and stealing it to make it your own, systemically imprison, rape and torture people based on their ethnicity and boasting about it, clarifying its intend in social media, the press, the parliament — now that is genocidal and has been very clear since the end of 2023. Get fucked with your both sides apologia, creep.
The fact that both side's propoganda is extremely agressive against the both sides argument, is part of why this is a forever conflict. They all want to lay 100% of the blame on the other party.
If Palistinians and Israelis are not willing to acknowlege they both have to sacrifice their absolutism and fanatisism, this conflict will not end.
Every other conflict of this type only stopped when BOTH parties wanted it to end and made those sacrifices.
Whattup Zionist, what is this, both-side-ception? Both side's propaganda? BAHAHJAhwhhahahHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAhahhaaaaaa. No seriously, stop wasting everyone's time with that hasbara shit. You are argueing in favor of genocide, settler colonialism and apartheid. The fact that you actually use your life doing this kind of shit online is appalling and disgusting. You really should be ashamed. Now to the meat of your yapping.
Who's doing propaganda for the Palestinians? The big and ubiqious Palestinian lobby groups? The paid internet users and bots doing the anti-semitism by criticising Israel? Boy, you're paddling desinformation, borderline conspiracy theories, again, in favour of a genocidal settler colonial project.
Why does the actual victim, the genocided and suppressed people have to "acknowledge they have to sacrifice their absolutism and fanatisism"? Why is this a demand at all, as it's clearly in favour of the rapist getting their raping tolerated by society? Why isn't the only demand: The barbaric occupier has to stop genociding and suppressing the occupied and genocided people!? Your perspective is sickening.
The only party not wanting this "conflict" to stop is Israel, because there are still Palestinians in Palestine. Israel is the party that time and again does everything and anything to keep on killing and stealing and raping and celebrating it publically, like, you know, right this fucking moment.
Your venomous inhumanity makes me sick.
I'm kinda wondering what the goal is here.
It's mostly been suppressed, but there's a good amount of footage from the day, recording it seemed like a priority. Like, here on Lemmy if someone could somehow avoid things getting removed and post the footage we'd just have someone saying it's AI or just generically sealioning and then whichever opinion felt more unpopular would be suppressed, but we're talking about organizations who can actually verify sources.
My best guess is they're hoping they find more bad stuff from Israel than Hamas, and that might be a solid play but I kinda doubt it. Most of the footage from the day of I've seen just make Israel feel kinda incompetent.
Israel wants to hide how many people were killed by the Hannibal directive, has made up a fake rape hoax and did much more lying to manufacture consent for the genocide.
Much of the Western audience still believes this obvious propaganda because Israel blocks all investigations into it and Western media uncritically repeats every Israeli lie.
Personal opinion, probably wouldn't affect either of those points much, most of the leaked footage I've seen is conflict between Hamas and people who at least look like civilians. It makes sense, you'd assume the footage from skirmishes where the IDF was involved and successful would be in IDF custody and most things would be kept secret along with anything negative likely being destroyed. Unless someone in Hamas is sitting on it for a mysterious reason, seeing any evidence of the hannibal directive recorded feels incredibly unlikely. I have also seen some footage from the day that doesn't outright show sexual assault, but would certainly imply that it could have been the next step and items like that combined with things like the UN report would be more than enough evidence for anyone in a position to do something about it. There may also be new stuff out there over the past year, I can't be the one looking at that footage anymore.
There may be surprises though.
The resistance did not target any hospital, school, or house of worship; it did not kill a single journalist or any member of ambulance crews.
I don't think that's the issue most people had with it, so I don't see how proving you're right about it would help.
Most people are ignorant of the Nakba or the policy of "mowing the grass"
Good for Hamas. Not likely that Israel does so.
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