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how does any of that arguement not apply to leftism or any political belief?
that's just how human beings work. we like people who are like us and validate our views. we hate people who aren't like us and challenge of views.
the point of any political belief system is to establish the boundaries of belief that mark the in group from the out group.
You only think that because conservatives believe everyone is like them, in order to make themselves feel better about being narcissistic. Because that isn't at all how it works for anyone who isn't conservative. Progressives and moderates have principles, things they believe even if it doesn't benefit them directly. There are fundamental values built on empathy, like liberty, equality, and justice. For the progressive position, these are not negotiable. Progressives will consider their values to determine where they stand on any particular issue. Conservatives will pick and choose which values to lean on as an argument in order to defend the position they have already chosen.
Conservativism is not a political belief system. There are no universal conservative values. You are deluded if you think that's how everyone else thinks.
So in your mind liberal = good, and conservative = bad.
and you can't see how that is hypocritical to the very 'values' you are espousing? You yourself have divided up the world into the good people and the bad people, based purely on ideological alignment.
Only you only the 'real values'.
No, progressive=principled, and conservative=egocentric. You can be principled and be a bad person, and you can be egocentric and still be a good person. It's tougher when the leader of your party is the personified avatar of avarice and corruption. But being selfish isn't the same as being bad.
For example, consider the classic breed of conservative, the NIMBY. Infrastructure is important for society, and it must go somewhere. If a new high speed rail will connect residential and commercial areas, improving the lives and economy for millions of people, but the pathway goes through your backyard, you might find yourself feeling a little bit conservative. Does this need to be built? Does it need to be built here? That doesn't make you a bad person. A progressive who believes in building public transportation would be willing to sacrifice property values and the quiet enjoyment of their landscape.
The relevant part of the analogy is that the conservative doesn't give a shit about your backyard. They might support paving through your living room if they will be one of those who benefits from the public transit. Or if they don't benefit, they might oppose spending the money in hopes of a tax break, or try to make it a wedge issue to benefit politically. If the conservative owns a gravel plant, and will profit directly from the rail construction, they will fight tooth and nail to make it wider than necessary.
Because there isn't a unifying conservative value underpinning any of their positions. If a progressive opposes the construction, it's likely due to environmental concerns, or property rights, or some other principle upon which they have decide to stand. Sincere people can have honest disagreements about the right and wrong things for our country. It takes a conservative to shift right and wrong depending on their precise location in spacetime.
Big "tolerant of the abuser" energy here
so we should tolerate the left when they are the abuser?
if a leftist threatens me and attacks me, i'm suppose to just sit there and enjoy it because i am being 'saved' by their holy virtues? pretty sure anyone attacking me regardless of their belief is a shithead.
Do you know what a strawman argument is?
yes, i also know when someone isn't arguing with me and just flinging shit because they are throwing a tantrum rather than engaging in thoughtful discourse.
I'm just drive-by commenting here; based on the thread I just saw maybe you get from them what you give
i'm not giving or getting anything. I'm just chilling and sharing my thoughts.
that's my major disconnect with the ideological crusaders on this site who need to see everything as some sort of heaven or hell dichotomy. i'm not an angel or a demon, nor do i think of other people or their ideas, as such.
At least you get that