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I'm just incredibly shocked by the fact that an admin of the instance lemmy.dbzer0.com is openly supporting Hamas.
Here's a link to the comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/61235665/23634712
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What fucking capacity? People like you keep parroting this like it's some gospel truth when it's nothing more than made up nonsense. They have showed ZERO resistance to Israel. They can't even do as much as to even scratch an IDF tank.
Literally all they were able to muster in 20 long years is launch weak rockets that hit nothing and a few terrorist attacks against civilians, and every time Israel beats the shit out of them in retaliation. Their existence is literally a net a negative on the Palestinian population because every time they instigate something new, it's the Palestinian civilians that suffer.
It's been just a bit over 2 years since Oct 7, 2023 when Israel started raining hell on Gaza... What has Hamas done to resist since? Seriously, tell me. I'm giving it to you because I don't see it.
You are being obtuse.
Hamas and Israel are opposing factions in armed struggle.
Israel seeks occupation, apartheid, and genocide over Palestine.
Hamas fights for the liberation of Palestine from Israel's barbaric oppression.
It should not seem complicated.
As if Hamas were just reacting to Israels oppression and have no agency of their own? As if they aren't fighting for a fundamentalist islamist state!?
Hamas emerged from within the context of a brutal occupation.
Before Israel, there was no Hamas.
Before the Nakba, there was no Hamas.
Hamas is fundamentally a construct of colonial resistance.
It is not seriously a threat to any interests except Israeli atrocities. Even if it did threaten Palestinians, the threat would be dwarfed by such atrocities of Israel. Palestinians are far safer through Hamas than they would be without Hamas. It is easy to imagine a superior alternative, but none actually exist in the present.
So you can't answer me? It's just as I thought. You brainlessly just repeat the same shit again and again like a drone. There's no substance or thought into it whatsoever. You don't seem to understand that repeating the same bullshit endlessly isn't going to change anything, it's still invalid. I literally gave a chance to give your case and you can't. My point stands because it's true.
I responded to your question appropriately, by observing that it is based on a distortion of language.
Hamas is, de facto, the current Palestinian resistance against Israeli atrocities.
Try asking a question politely and in good faith, if you genuinely want answers that promote the quality of discussion.
Oh don't give me that cop out bullshit. We both know I'm not the one being disingenuous here. I asked you the most direct, straightforward, and central question in this entire discussion... and you didn't answer it at all. You ignored it and went back to repeating the same shit again and again like a broken record.
I'll ask again, what has Hamas done to resist Israel? You're all over this thread explicitly voicing your support for Hamas. When people rightfully asked you why, your answer is that they're a "resistance group". That is your entire justification, that is your core point, your central argument. I said fine, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and have you explain yourself. Explain to me how, when, and where has Hamas resisted Israel? Once again, I'm giving you the floor to give your case because you didn't do nothing on it last time.
The reason why I'm asking you because I'm genuinely baffled that people like you exist. I want you to explain to me where the substance behind your claims lie because I don't see it. Hamas has been in power for 20 years, what have they done to resist Israel? I cannot think of anything whatsoever besides them launching a bunch of rockets that hit nowhere and terrorist attacks that targeted civilians. Every single time they did anything, they got Israel to bomb the shit out of them and advance their goals. It's the epitome of taking 1 step forward and then 100 steps back.
Their crown achievement was supposed to be the Oct 7th terrorist attacks. Them massacring a bunch of civilians at a music festival and nearby villages and taking hostages was the absolute peak of their "resistance". Not even 24 hours later, Israel pushed them back into Gaza and then started their campaign of turning Gaza into hell on earth. It's been over 2 years now. Israel has bulldozed the entirety of the strip, captured all the of the territory, killed tens of thousands of people, cut off all aid and utilities, and they have successfully achieved virtually all of their initial goals one by one. Where's the Hamas resistance during all this? There isn't even a symbolic resistance let alone an effective one. Their resistance can accurately be assessed as negative.
I cannot do any more than repeat my explanation one last time, that you are anchored to a straw man.
The basic facts are exceedingly simple. Hamas, a faction of Palestinians, is engaged in an armed struggle with Israel, which is perpetrating atrocities against Palestine.
Such an uncontroversial observation should not provoke such confusion or hostility.
Of course, it would be more favorable for Palestine to have the means of acquiring more potent military capacities.
If you want to ask a question, then please find one that is not meaningless within the context.
You can't answer my question because you don't have an answer, and the reason for that is that you know you're lying and can't admit it.
I asked a very simple, direct, and straightforward question. It's not a loaded question, it's very much relevant, and it's literally the reason why we're having the discussion. I'm literally asking you to back up your claims, and you just can't do it.
Unlike you, I actually gave my explanation. I actually provided examples and went in depth, and I gave you multiple chances to do the same, but you chose not to. The fact that you're trying so hard to weasel out of this question like greasy rat instead of just directly addressing it tells me that you won't ever actually provide anything ever.
At this point I'm 95% sure you're a troll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Actually read the article you posted because you clearly don't know what the fallacy even is.
What is my mistake?
ICE is just performing imperfect border security.
Such an uncontroversial observation should not provoke such confusion or hostility.
ICE is not resisting a colonial aggressor. ICE is not fighting an antagonist perpetrating atrocities. ICE is not representing a people who have lived under siege their whole lives.
Keep trying.
Also note, ICE operates concentration camps and perpetrates forced disappearances
"Border security" is a sham, because freer borders would present no genuine threat.
Wow, so you're against legal immigration, and defending people against foreign invasions. Crazy.
Wut?
You're spreading debunked propaganda to claim that ICE is doing anything more than imperfectly standing up for their citizens.
Bye, troll.
The absolute irony is almost deafening.
Have fun simping for terrorists!
The irony I see is that you inadvertently demonstrate the pointlessness of attempting a discussion with a Zionist.
Nothing comes of it except deflections, obfuscations, and lies.
Cute. Did your terrorist-supporter buddies help you come up with that?
Dumb and dumberer.
Is that their names?
You're batting one thousand.
Cheer on any good massacres lately? Then lie and say they didn't happen and call it Hasbara?
No one claims, to my knowledge not one person ever, that the massive death toll for Hamas's surprise attack "didn't happen".
Please stop attacking such an absurd straw man.
It is essential to acknowledge, however, that Israel's account of events is not credible.
Lol you literally called it hasbara and debunked, but keep lying.
Hasbara is Israeli propaganda.
No one claims that no one was killed, only that Israel's account of events is deeply inaccurate. Arguing against the claim that no one was killed is, in the most charitable case, misconstruing the controversy.
For example, we do know that many of the Israeli deaths were directly attributable to fire from Israeli gunships.
Continuing as you do, either you are poorly informed, or deliberately dishonest.
I said they murdered and raped, you said that was "debunked"
Were you lying then, or are you lying now?
Okay, was there rape, yes or no?